Kira's completely unlikeable
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Kira was awesome. The OP is very troll-ish. 
I will admit Kira was quite abrasive in Season 1, to the point where it could be off-putting. But at the same time, it made sense for the character to act that way, given her history and mistrust of the Federation. But we saw her change and grow over the course of that season, and many others. She was strong woman who struggled with the violence inside her while also having a deeply spritual side. She was warm, loving, tough and wanted the best for her people coming out of the Occupation. I actually think Dax had more issues with unlikeability than her.
I can't fault Kira for being unlikeable in Season 1. If she hadn't been that way, we wouldn't have gotten to enjoy her character growth. I felt the same way about Bashir, in season one he was downright grating, both arrogant and naive. But over the years, we got to see him fleshed out and he became a wonderfully complex and interesting character.
I hate when people just toss out provocative statements like "So and so was an awful character" without even explaining why they feel that way. Just admit you're trying to piss people off and be done with it. Of course, I suppose I only have myself to blame for rising to the bait.
I will admit Kira was quite abrasive in Season 1, to the point where it could be off-putting. But at the same time, it made sense for the character to act that way, given her history and mistrust of the Federation. But we saw her change and grow over the course of that season, and many others. She was strong woman who struggled with the violence inside her while also having a deeply spritual side. She was warm, loving, tough and wanted the best for her people coming out of the Occupation. I actually think Dax had more issues with unlikeability than her.
I can't fault Kira for being unlikeable in Season 1. If she hadn't been that way, we wouldn't have gotten to enjoy her character growth. I felt the same way about Bashir, in season one he was downright grating, both arrogant and naive. But over the years, we got to see him fleshed out and he became a wonderfully complex and interesting character.
I hate when people just toss out provocative statements like "So and so was an awful character" without even explaining why they feel that way. Just admit you're trying to piss people off and be done with it. Of course, I suppose I only have myself to blame for rising to the bait.
Why can't people just have characters they don't care for that much? Or characters they like a little bit? It seems that fans either elevate their favorite character into a godlike paragon of virtue or denigrate the character they don't like into the scum of the earth, the scummiest scum that all the other scum is ashamed to know.
You know, it is possible to see a characters faults and good qualities at the same time. It's not just one or the other.
You know, it is possible to see a characters faults and good qualities at the same time. It's not just one or the other.
Discuss them? Frankly, I don't see you doing much 'discussing' either. All you have done in this thread is make a series of generalized negative remarks of the one-liner variety, designed to piss people off. That is not 'discussion'. That is trolling. And it needs to stop.
Now.
You don't have to like Kira. You not liking her is not going to influence our enjoyment of her one little bit. But you DO need to support your opinions with specific examples and details. And you do need to be respectful of others.
Keep up the 'tude, and you'll have a warning for trolling.
Well I pretty much agree. But for a start I actually said earlier in the thread that I don't think she's a bad character because of being unlikeable, however she's in no way ackowledged as being a bit of a bitch by other characetrs in the show or indeed those who make the show. Same goes for Sisko who's a nasty piece of work without much in the way of redeeming qualities, but Ira went "Hey, Trek fans see the captains as gods, let's make him a god" (berk). Also, amongst hardcare niners (and I may not be one, but I was close to it once), both Sisko and Kira are almost revered. I for one wouldn't want to spend time with either of them.
You'll notice I actually have done to some lengths to discuss it, but I doubt you'd be saying the same thing if you didn't hold the opposite opinion.
"Our"? So you're not really talking as an unbiased mod, you're talking as someone who disagrees with my opinion and would rather I didn't share it.
Again, I doubt you'd be saying that if you held my point of view.
Well, in the pilot when Sisko meets O'Brien and then goes to meet Kira O'Brien stops him and asks if he's ever worked with Bajoran women before, which to me indicated that he was commenting on her attitude and behavior. However, I don't think she was a bitch at all, and I think it was weird that O'Brien was stereotyping Bajoran women specifically instead of Bajorans as a whole. Usually Star Trek conveys a high level of species-stereotypes and a lower level of gender-stereotypes, but not in this case. Whatever.
Well remembered, I'd forgotten that. Though that was the pilot and quickly any kind of animosity between the main cast (excluding Quark, so maybe animosity between the Starfleet/Bajoran station personnel is more accurate) became as uncommon as with TNG. I'm not an expert, but all I can think of is Kira frowning at Dax at the end of Blood Oath for being a murderer. Luckily, there was a large and good secondary cast meaning there could be good inpersonal conflict, though the idea of Starfleet rubbing along without any dispute (excluding Eddington) was maintained.
Also on the subject of Emissary, that had what I believe what was Sisko's best material (if we don't count Visitor, which was really all about Jake). The whole revisiting his wife's death and talking about how he exists there was powerful. Shame he became such an unlikeable nasty character.
Well, at least I think we can all agree that Winn was a magnificient bitch.
Right?
Right?
I guess. I liked her way of sounding condescending by calling someone "child".
Which other one are you talking about?
The one who's topic title is "Kira Sucks, Sisko Sucks, Station can't even hit Warp 2".
http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=158380
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That thread is not trolling. That thread is a JOKE. Nearly all the posters in that thread are long-time known DS9 fans.
They are just messing around.
Nothing magnificent about her. She was whiny and power-hungry and opportunistic and whiny. I really didn't like her, not even in the love-to-hate-the-villain sense like Weyoun or Dukat.
I disagree that Kira was completely unlikable. None of the characters on DS9 were perfect paragons of virtue, but very few of them were completely lacking in redeeming features.
Uh, duh. that's why I said:
I've even got 3 or 4 posts myself in the "Kira Sucks, Sisko Sucks" thread. That one is definitely a joke thread.
This thread [Kira's completely unlikeable], however, is a troll.
Would someone explain to me in some depth how this topic has been trolling on my part? I've not turn up and gone "DS9 SUX LOL!! 
", I've explained that I am a DS9 fan to such a degree that it was once my favourite show, I've explained that I don't necessarily think my dislike or Kira equates to her being a bad character and that I also feel she developed into a more likeable character once she started seeing Odo, and I've also detailed how I think there was a writing issue in how she and other characters treated each other and want to see how others felt (perceiving niners, in general, to like her character unquestioningly).
But no, I've criticised the sainted Kira and supposedly think the Occupation was brilliant, I must just be trolling. I'm trying to discuss an aspect of a TV show for Jesus' sake. Isn't that the point of this place?
", I've explained that I am a DS9 fan to such a degree that it was once my favourite show, I've explained that I don't necessarily think my dislike or Kira equates to her being a bad character and that I also feel she developed into a more likeable character once she started seeing Odo, and I've also detailed how I think there was a writing issue in how she and other characters treated each other and want to see how others felt (perceiving niners, in general, to like her character unquestioningly).But no, I've criticised the sainted Kira and supposedly think the Occupation was brilliant, I must just be trolling. I'm trying to discuss an aspect of a TV show for Jesus' sake. Isn't that the point of this place?
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