Kings: 3/15: "Goliath" - Grading & Discussion (Two-hour premiere)
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Wow, I had the opposite reaction of most in this thread. I found the show to be unintentionally hilarious. It is very pretentious. It is pure cheese. And not cheese that is self aware and done in a good way, like say, nip/tuck. I mean, this thing is just BAD.
^ As I was watching, I was actually thinking that Caprica might be similar to this show.
I loved it. The anointing of David by Samuel was well done.
Well, all this has happened before...
Not enough Wes Studi.
Hopefully his role will grow.
Mentioning the dates for Listz threw me out of the show for a bit. How can the story of Saul and David have AD dates??
But it was well produced, they started the gay Jonathan storyline, and the only other thing I catch on Sundays is The Simpsons, so I'll keep watching.
What Sunday sports does NBC air? Sunday shows always get tossed around when sports run late. That's got to hurt the ratings.
Hopefully his role will grow.
Mentioning the dates for Listz threw me out of the show for a bit. How can the story of Saul and David have AD dates??
But it was well produced, they started the gay Jonathan storyline, and the only other thing I catch on Sundays is The Simpsons, so I'll keep watching.
What Sunday sports does NBC air? Sunday shows always get tossed around when sports run late. That's got to hurt the ratings.
NBC has Sunday Night Football during football season. So if this did survive, it would probably come on post-NFL season. Not sure if they have baseball or not.
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The somewhat nelly David getting a crown of monarch butterflies. And Ian McShane stares like it's no bizarre ass occurance. WTF?
The way he was looking made me believe that maybe the King's butterfly story isn't made-up. It actually happened and now God has passed him over and selected David as the new King.
Since the show seems to be pushing religion pretty heavily if it goes that way then.
The ratings for the show were pretty horrible so I expect it to be cancelled after not a few eps. I am not a religious person, I stopped putting out any kind of facade about it a long time ago... But I do find it ironic that I'm sure people who are able to accept all the strange things going on in a show like say Lost would likely react very differently if you suddenly tied it all into religion or God.
It's like "oh, the 'island' that's cool." don't say the g word.
Overall, i thought this was pretty interesting. I didn't get a chance to see everything, but got a got view of it. There are a lot of interetsing details, such as David's musical ability.
But what i didn't like was the same thing in a recent (well, maybe quite a few years now)TV movie production of David & Saul (with Jonathan Pryce):
1. David's fighting Goliath is lackluster (i.e. he's scared, has some kind of feeble attempt...trying to make him look "human")
2. Saul's too short...he's supposed to be literally a head above everyone else...an imposing person.
With #1...David's story is interesting, and he IS human in fact....he should've been portrayed as a passionate, sometimes hothead. If you read the biblical account, he seems larger than life at first, but falls when he actually gets the throne
With #2 -- Saul is someone who LOOKS like a leader, and perhaps we see traces of his initial humility...but he is a man who falls in love wiht his pown title, and forgets what made him a good choice to begin with.
That said, Ian McShane does do a great job...kinda like Lionel Luthor (to me).
I do NOT like Jack seemingly becoming David's enemy...i would rather have one of the OTHER brother's Jonathan has be the man plotting against David.
Michal should start from loving David to hating him...
I wonder, too, if the story would have worked with flashbacks (David was maybe 12-13 when he first came on the scene), where we see how these characters were earlier, and then stting up the Saul-David drama.
To me, a much better David/Saul analogy is the Korean Historical Drama, Emperor Wang Guhn.
But what i didn't like was the same thing in a recent (well, maybe quite a few years now)TV movie production of David & Saul (with Jonathan Pryce):
1. David's fighting Goliath is lackluster (i.e. he's scared, has some kind of feeble attempt...trying to make him look "human")
2. Saul's too short...he's supposed to be literally a head above everyone else...an imposing person.
With #1...David's story is interesting, and he IS human in fact....he should've been portrayed as a passionate, sometimes hothead. If you read the biblical account, he seems larger than life at first, but falls when he actually gets the throne
With #2 -- Saul is someone who LOOKS like a leader, and perhaps we see traces of his initial humility...but he is a man who falls in love wiht his pown title, and forgets what made him a good choice to begin with.
That said, Ian McShane does do a great job...kinda like Lionel Luthor (to me).
I do NOT like Jack seemingly becoming David's enemy...i would rather have one of the OTHER brother's Jonathan has be the man plotting against David.
Michal should start from loving David to hating him...
I wonder, too, if the story would have worked with flashbacks (David was maybe 12-13 when he first came on the scene), where we see how these characters were earlier, and then stting up the Saul-David drama.
To me, a much better David/Saul analogy is the Korean Historical Drama, Emperor Wang Guhn.
I watched this online (nbc.com) after seeing Ian McShane on The Daily Show this evening. The low premiere ratings don't surprise me as I hadn't heard of this show prior to this evening.
The pilot was light on exposition for a two hour event but it looks like this could be a good show... not that it matters if they can't get the numbers up.
The pilot was light on exposition for a two hour event but it looks like this could be a good show... not that it matters if they can't get the numbers up.
I didn't expect to like this but it was pretty good. The alt-reality premise was interesting and there actually was some action, though I fear that after the pilot the war scenes will go away. It's funny how the second hour completely turned around everything established in the first hour; the Prince is a closet homosexual, the King is a puppet of corporate interests, the Queen is a political marriage and he has a mistress and bastard child on the side... Interesting. My only main complaint is that David was boring, whether by way of the writing or the actor.