True. But I don't like the fact that Khlyen is still there, still working to manipulate and dominate her. I want that to end.
Killjoys Season 1: Discussion and Spoilers
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True. But I don't like the fact that Khlyen is still there, still working to manipulate and dominate her. I want that to end.
Yeah, you've gotta be careful with Facebook, the Big Bang Theory or CBS pages spoiled a big surprise from the end of a TBBT episode last season.
This was a really impressive finale -- really epic stuff. Everything came to a head at once, and it was a bit rushed, but it held together pretty well, and I really cared about what was going on with the larger political situation. Although it surprised me that the political business coming to a head kind of sidelined the whole Khlyen thing that seemed to be what we were building toward. As I feared, Khlyen wasn't dealt with for good and is going to continue to be a big bad.
So Level 6 and/or Red 17 is some kind of engineered supersoldier program. Is D'Avin going to be turned into one of them now?
I liked the bit where John recited the scarbacks' litany. Interesting detail -- it said the roots spread across space from "the world we've forgotten." That suggests this is a far-future setting where humans have been in space so long that they no longer remember where the race originated, like in Asimov's Empire/Foundation universe. Which is neat, but it would be easier to buy if there weren't so much 2010s pop music and slang in the show.
So Level 6 and/or Red 17 is some kind of engineered supersoldier program. Is D'Avin going to be turned into one of them now?
I liked the bit where John recited the scarbacks' litany. Interesting detail -- it said the roots spread across space from "the world we've forgotten." That suggests this is a far-future setting where humans have been in space so long that they no longer remember where the race originated, like in Asimov's Empire/Foundation universe. Which is neat, but it would be easier to buy if there weren't so much 2010s pop music and slang in the show.
Nothing yet, but I'm optimistic. Ratings have been okay, critical response has been increasingly positive, and it's a low-budget co-production, so it's not too much of a financial burden for Syfy. Plus, they seem really invested in reinventing themselves as a serious science fiction channel again, so I doubt they'd want to ditch one of their first efforts unless it were a complete bomb, which it hasn't been.
Good finale. The show is really finding its own identity and making the setting feel authentic. No second season would be a disappointment.
Hopefully the set design people will step up their game in a second season, with fewer seams left showing. They were improving in the latter half of this season, but could still manage to be a bit more creative going forward.
The cinematography people, however...yikes! Some of the glares, over-washing, and offensively bright back-lighting were just unpleasant to watch. Some episodes in the middle range of the season over-used blurred focus lenses for questionable effect. The producers really need to re-think their aesthetic for future seasons.
Hopefully the set design people will step up their game in a second season, with fewer seams left showing. They were improving in the latter half of this season, but could still manage to be a bit more creative going forward.
The cinematography people, however...yikes! Some of the glares, over-washing, and offensively bright back-lighting were just unpleasant to watch. Some episodes in the middle range of the season over-used blurred focus lenses for questionable effect. The producers really need to re-think their aesthetic for future seasons.
This was a great finale. I liked the big reveal at end was pretty cool. Red 17 was from the one with the nanites and the cray guy on the ship, right? I didn't expect that to actually come back into play. I liked them bringing back the genetic bomb too. I always enjoy it when they bring things like that back into play.
I've been expecting Arkyn to come into play since it was first mentioned, so I was not surprised to see it at the end. I figured it was going to be the site of some kind of secret something.
I was expecting a little bit more movement on the Khlyen arc, but it does look like some of that is coming into play with the political stuff.
I was surprised to see them actually bomb Old Town like that. I kept expecting them to stop the bombers at the last minute. I wonder if they'll go back and try to rebuild, or if we'll just shift the main setting to another part of Westerly or one of the other moons?
I hope this isn't the last we've seen of Doc Simms and Alvis, I liked them.
I've been expecting Arkyn to come into play since it was first mentioned, so I was not surprised to see it at the end. I figured it was going to be the site of some kind of secret something.
I was expecting a little bit more movement on the Khlyen arc, but it does look like some of that is coming into play with the political stuff.
I was surprised to see them actually bomb Old Town like that. I kept expecting them to stop the bombers at the last minute. I wonder if they'll go back and try to rebuild, or if we'll just shift the main setting to another part of Westerly or one of the other moons?
I hope this isn't the last we've seen of Doc Simms and Alvis, I liked them.
I believe so, yes.
I wasn't sure if Red 17 would be more than a, err, red herring, but I always expected the gene bomb to return. But I'm rather startled at how ruthless Delle Seyah Kendry was about using it.
Yeah, it was a bold step to go that far. But I doubt they'd abandon Westerley and its characters completely. After all, most of the Westerlins presumably survived in the bunkers, and that would throw a wrench into the plans of Delle Seyah and the other survivors of what I suppose we can no longer call the Nine.
And I'd be surprised if they didn't bring back characters like Pawter, Alvis, and Pree. Lovretta's previous series Lost Girl made ongoing use of its growing ensemble, and had a bar as one of its main settings with the bartender as a hugely important supporting character. So I expect Pree and the others to stick around. Although it looks like Hills is probably gone for good.
Qresh is a (dwarf) planet; Leith, Westerley, and Arkyn are its moons. The four of them make up the Quad. This has been established before, and it's spelled out on the show's website. Although there's no explanation for why a dwarf planet and three moons all seem to have Earthlike gravity.
Great finale. We had damn well better get a second season.
A few odds and ends:
Unless they're seriously messing with us, it seems clear that Alvis is Dutch's ex-husband. She alluded to their "history" early in the ep and then we find out that she had (has?) a husband? We can put the pieces together.
So it seems that John was a Scarback priest at some point, but lost his faith. Wonder if this has anything to do with the woman he alluded to a few eps back, the one he used to buy drugs for?
I like that we're still unpeeling the layers of these people's past.
A few odds and ends:
Unless they're seriously messing with us, it seems clear that Alvis is Dutch's ex-husband. She alluded to their "history" early in the ep and then we find out that she had (has?) a husband? We can put the pieces together.
So it seems that John was a Scarback priest at some point, but lost his faith. Wonder if this has anything to do with the woman he alluded to a few eps back, the one he used to buy drugs for?
I like that we're still unpeeling the layers of these people's past.
I just figured she was referring to the fact that they've known each other and interacted for years as fellow denizens of Old Town and frequenters of Pree's bar. She spends a lot of time in Old Town, he's a prominent community figure there, and as a Killjoy she's probably needed to question him, ask favors of him, etc. on various occasions.
I didn't get that impression. He said afterward that he'd been curious after seeing Alvis give a blessing and had read up on the faith. I think he's just the kind of intelligent person who's not a believer but is open-minded and inquisitive about beliefs he doesn't share.
Besides, wouldn't a former scarback have, well, scars? You'd think Dutch would've seen him with his shirt off at some point in their years together, and Pawter would've found out when she operated on him after mind-controlled D'Avin shot him.
No, he clearly stated that he'd just read up on them at some point.
I thought they had alluded pretty strongly to that woman being his and Davin's mother. When John and Davin had it out in the second or third to last episode, John said something about not being able to pursue his own dreams of becoming a mechanic because Davin bailed and left him to take care of their mom.
That's what he said, but I took that as an evasion he made up to avoid revealing the truth. "Me, one of them? Nah, I just read something somewhere, you know. Nothing to see here. Move along."
But then we got that scene where he tried telling the Rat King that he wasn't really a monk, but the Rat King wasn't buying it for a minute.
Note that John waited until the last minute to reveal that he knew the blessing ritual by heart, and how uncomfortable he seemed the whole time they were posing as monks. This is a part of his past that he doesn't want to fess up to just yet, not even to Dutch or his brother.
There's more going on here than just "oh, I just read up on it once."
We have to remember that these characters don't always tell the truth to each other, especially about their pasts. Look at Dutch and Pawter and D'Avin . . . They've all had secrets they hid from each other at various points. So we can't always take what they say at face value.
As for his lack of scars . . . this is a society where even a slum doctor can re-attach an ear over a commercial break. I'm sure there are ways to cosmetically eliminate the scars. The Scarbacks keep them as a testament of faith, but if somebody wanted to get rid of them I'm sure they could.
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John was with Alvis and saw him perform the blessing (in the Tommy from Defiance bar seige episode). That's how he knew it. I didnt take his confession to Deputy Andy from Eureka (or his Canadian doopleganger) to be an indication he'd once been a member of the order, just that he was uncomfortable with them believing he was real, and wanting them to seek real guidance from their faith.
Or course if you want to recon it as such, its not a problem
Edit- the head monk was not Deputy Andy, but Noah Dandy, who played Sukar on Defiance. He's also appeared on Bitten, and scores of other Canadian based tv series.
Or course if you want to recon it as such, its not a problem
Edit- the head monk was not Deputy Andy, but Noah Dandy, who played Sukar on Defiance. He's also appeared on Bitten, and scores of other Canadian based tv series.
John was with Alvis and saw him perform the blessing (in the Tommy from Defiance bar seige episode). That's how he knew it. I didnt take his confession to Deputy Andy from Eureka (or his Canadian doopleganger) to be an indication he'd once been a member of the order, just that he was uncomfortable with them believing he was real, and wanting them to seek real guidance from their faith.
Or course if you want to recon it as such, its not a problem
I don't think it's a retcon. I think it's deliberate foreshadowing. They're setting something up here. I feel it in my bones. And don't forget that the Rat King didn't believe John when he tried to explain that he wasn't a real monk. "I don't think you get to decide that."
There's a reason they included that whole business with John performing the ritual--and it wasn't just to show that he has a good memory and reads a lot. Look at his body language. He was looking shifty and uncomfortable the whole time they were posing as monks.
He's hiding something . . .
(I assume that "Deputy Andy" is the Rat King? Wasn't quite sure what you meant there.)
And Alvis is so Dutch's ex . . . I'd stake my next warrant on it.
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