Spoilers 'Killing Eve' and 'Mission: Impossible' to influence 'Section 31' series
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On the other hand, you said it yourself: It's not just a rehash of shows we've seen before, because we haven't had a show about fucking Hitler yet. Definitely not one about fucking Hitler forced into a universe where the other Hitler was a fucking saint.
Heil Honey I'm Home! failed, by the way.
The same way she got away from the fight with ControLeland down on that planet. Maybe I wasn't paying close enough attention, but I was absolutely sure she was destroyed in that huge explosion. Then she shows up again in the next episode!
Kor
It was Mirror Saru’s. She ate it and had gas.
The same way she got away from the fight with ControLeland down on that planet. Maybe I wasn't paying close enough attention, but I was absolutely sure she was destroyed in that huge explosion. Then she shows up again in the next episode!
Kor
I could be misremembering but I thought they had a line about beaming the away team back up that was supposed to include her. I do remember wondering if she beamed up with the team or if she went with Leland somehow because it was not super clear.
The same way she got away from the fight with ControLeland down on that planet. Maybe I wasn't paying close enough attention, but I was absolutely sure she was destroyed in that huge explosion. Then she shows up again in the next episode!
Kor
Michael says there are four to beam up - wasn't that Michael, Nhan, Stamets and Georgiou?
I love Georgiou she's one of my favourite characters.
Yep. I believe we have three more eps to go this season, with a new ep airing tomorrow night.
And, without getting spoilery, Season One very much ended on a cliffhanger, so it would have very "disappointing" if there hadn't been a Season Two, but, in fact, the show was renewed for a second season very early on, so we were good to go.
And, yes, the show is blackly funny and bolstered by two great characters. I worry a bit about the background mythology getting too byzantine, as happened with the X-Files, but, honestly, so far the conspiracy stuff is just a McGuffin to keep the plot moving; the real story is the cat-and-mouse games between Eve and Villanelle.
I know some people here disagree, but I truly think there's a disconnect between how much the producers think their audience cares about Georgiou and how they actually feel about her. I know I certainly don't “love” her and think she “radiates incredible heart”.
They think they developed her during season 2 so much, that people forgot her genocides, mass murders and Kelpien meals. I think though her development felt forced and fake.
The only reason given on screen for her change of heart seems to be her liking Burnham. But why? Why is she liking her so much? She only looks like her daughter and her real daughter hooked up with Lorca and betrayed her. It is even not like prime universe Burnham is super nice to her. She definitely doesn't act like she considers Georgiou in any way as a loving mother or even mentor.
Right now it looks like TPTB see this different. I mean they also said this:
https://trekmovie.com/2019/01/18/in...iou-at-star-trek-discovery-season-2-premiere/
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In a nutshell: sardonic British intelligence agent (played by Sanda Oh) pursues adorably psychopathic assassin (played by Jodie Comer)--and vice versa. Cat and mouse games, laced with barely subtextual sexual tension, ensue. Quirky dialogue and supporting characters abound.
For a show about murder and espionage and double-crosses, it's surprisingly breezy and blackly comic. Think Hitchcock in his more playful mode.
So far I’ve seen all of Killing Eve and everything (minus perhaps a part of one episode) with Mission: Impossible in the title… but what does any of that have to do with Star Trek? Where is the arrogance of not referencing successful shows/movies of the day? Is this a shorthand hook to maybe get some viewers aboard?
For all the talk of Georgiou becoming nicer, remember when she suggested causing a supernova to charge the time crystal and didn't see the problem with wiping out all life in a solar system. That was at the end of the season. She's still just as genocidal as ever, and still not someone I want as a protagonist.
It's just standard Hollywood speak, like Roddenberry describing TOS as "Wagon Train to the Stars."
It's a quick-and-dirty way to convey the idea of a new series in shorthand. Heck, as I understand it, DS9 was originally pitched as "The Rifleman in Space": widowed father, young son, remote frontier outpost, etc.
I'll cop to doing this many times in sales conferences and marketing meetings:
"it's Buffy meets Deadwood," "it's Beverly Hills 90210 with elves," "it's Sons of Anarchy meets Supernatural," etc.
I know, but referencing in public an original and successful show of the day suggests one is trying to ride that wave. (With TOS it helps that I’d have to look up what Wagon Train was exactly; I’d always picture just a wagon train, not a specific old show.)
I'd think most people have some idea of what Mission: Impossible is, even if they've never seen it. '60s spy show. And I don't think M:I really has a wave for Section 31 to ride.
In TOS's case: By 1964, Westerns weren't the power-house they were just a few years earlier. They were still a formidable presence but gradually decreasing. It was just something the executives Gene Roddenberry was pitching the show to knew. "Space Western" made it more understandable to them than "Crazy Space Show" because then their minds would start thinking. "In what ways is it a Western?" They'd start asking questions and want to know more about what it's about. Whereas with "Crazy Space Show" they'd be like, "Oh! That's just Plane Nine from Outer Space!" They wouldn't take anything Gene Roddenberry was saying seriously at all. He had to make it relate-able and comparing it to Westerns did that.
With Section 31, I'm guessing "It's like Mission: Impossible and Killing Eve!" sounds be better and more descriptive to them than "It's the CIA in Space!"
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What's wrong with that? Of course you're going to want to compare a new product to something popular that people are already familiar with.
It's just a convenient way to describe something by using a common point of reference. It makes sense to describe a TV show by referencing other TV shows. The same way you'd compare a new restaurant to other restaurants.
"What's that new place on Queen Street like?"
"Kinda like a cross between a Starbucks and an ice cream parlor, but with Swedish fish instead of lattes."
