Khan question
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I would agree. I think the Eugenics War was comprised of battles between the various Augment lead "nations", insurections by the populace in those nations and battles between the Augments and non-Augment nations.
Khan alone ruled a quarter of the globe. I dont think its beyond the realm of possibility that the large parts of the other three fourths were also controled by the other 39 supermen who seized control. Could be the whole world was under Augment control and the normals humans took advantage of the War between the Augment factions to overthrow their "Superman masters".
Space Seed said:
Space Seed said:
Well, if we are talking Trek as an alternate history, then the EU might not have been formed. Or the EU was formed by the Augment(s) who took control of Europe. Perhaps the European Hegemony was originally formed by the Augments and their succesors decided to keep it going. The Eastern Coalition might also be an artifact of the Augments.
Finally someone who gets it about the Eugenics Wars!
Of course, given that Starfleet people have been interfering with the timeline beginning with the 1800 or so, it's entirely possible that the timeline we live in is not the one that leads to the Trek universe.
I mean, maybe that bum that vaporised himself with McCoy's phaser in CotEoF lived in our timeline, and that's what caused the difference.
And given that no one in the Star Trek universe seems to have heard of Star Trek, I'd say that it's definitely a different timeline.
Depends on who you ask. Most of the people who made the show think of it as the fiction future of our present day. Which is why when the shows time travel to the present (when ever that was) its always the current date and "reality".
I think it is very telling that they didn't call these wars World War III.
It seems like they were a series of small wars with high casualties, perphaps due to food poisinings, biological warfare, and may be even a couple of nukes dropped when some tyrants saw that their end is near. They collectively named them Eugenics Wars due to Augment leaders and their lieutenatns fighting amongst themselves (occasionaly attacking free countries) for more power. Khan was among last tyrants who consolidated others' gains and, with no enemies, was satisfied for a while being the most powerful man in the world - until he was attacked and deposed.
I agree. The whole world went all out to advance science sometime around the Moon landing, while in real life we stopped.
It seems like they were a series of small wars with high casualties, perphaps due to food poisinings, biological warfare, and may be even a couple of nukes dropped when some tyrants saw that their end is near. They collectively named them Eugenics Wars due to Augment leaders and their lieutenatns fighting amongst themselves (occasionaly attacking free countries) for more power. Khan was among last tyrants who consolidated others' gains and, with no enemies, was satisfied for a while being the most powerful man in the world - until he was attacked and deposed.
I agree. The whole world went all out to advance science sometime around the Moon landing, while in real life we stopped.
Or there's simply a debate over what to call these various wars. Some historians might insist on calling the Eugenics Wars 'World War III' and the war that came after it (the one depicted in ST:FC, which others know *AS* World War III) is thus called by these same people, probably in the minority, as World War IV.
As I recall, World War II was the only world war that was always called by that one term. World War I was not referred to as such, until much later (AFAIK it was just called the 'Great War' while it was being fought). So there's precedent for wars like this having much debate over what to call them.
(I mean, there are some in real life who have already used the term 'World War III' to refer to the Cold War, others call the War on Terror by that name, etc. )
Then why didn't Gillian tell Kirk and Spock that they really looked a lot like Shatner and Nimoy?
Like I said - our timeline (where ST is a tv series) and the timeline where ST events actually take place in the future (and never were a tv series) cannot be the same place. The past of the Trek universe is not our present, and out future will never be Trek's present. I know that kills some sort of wish fullfillment fantasy for some folks but, oh well.
Ever heard of suspension of disbelief? Trek always travelled back to the/our (relative) present, not some alternate version.
Agree completely -Star Treks universe is a alternate history.
They came back to a 20th century that was superficially very similar, but not identical to ours.
In their 20th century there was a Eugenics War in the 1990s, advanced spacecraft like the SS Botany Bay, and some software/computer guy named Henry Starling, just to name a very few examples of the differences.
In our 20th century there was no Euguenics War, the best spacecraft we came up with was the space shuttle, and we had Bill Gates and Steve Jobs instead of Henry Starling. Oh, and we had the fictional adventures of Star Trek.
Our world ain't gonna be Star Trek when it grows up. Our 23rd century may well end up being a wonderous and spiffy place to live in, but it will be uniquely ours, and not what you've seen in Star Trek.
Again: You're supposed to suspend your disbelief. None of the series', episodes and films fit together unless you suspend your disbelief and pretend they do. In that same way, we're supposed to forget about the Eugenics Wars (or pretend they were fought in secret, as the novels did) just like how we never wonder why characters never poop, or why characters in cop shows never get caught in traffic. Star Trek is supposed to be our world, just as the world of almost every other television show and movie is.
