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Kes, Possibly the Worst Lead Character of the Berman Era? Maybe Kim? Mayweather? Troi? Other?

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There have been a number of lead characters in the Berman era that were underutilized among their respective casts. Probably the two shows that suffered from this the most are VOYAGER and ENTERPRISE, though a good argument can be made for TNG, as well. (With Dr. Crusher specifically... you almost want to include Troi, but she seemed to have a SLIGHT bit more to do than Crusher did, and Geordi did have his friendship with Data and he was in charge of arguably the most important department on the ship and was part of the technobabble solution more often than Crusher or Troi.) But among those underutilized characters, who could be a frontrunner for worst character?

I think a strong case can be made for Kes being worst character. I think she suffered a three-fold problem. First, I don't think she was portrayed that well. While I wouldn't go so far to say Jennifer Lien was terrible in the role, I can't say she really set the world on fire, either. I think part of that problem was the character of Kes herself is an odd one to try to give direction to an actress. At least, not without her seeming even more like a child than may be necessary. (Which is also likely part of the reason why a number of people take great issue with Neelix's relationship with her at the start of the series.) Kes certainly had her standout scenes and a couple good episodes (the arc of her being the first and primary advocate for The Doctor, and she did a good job in "WARLORD"), but overall she seemed to be mostly... just there.

Second, the character creation itself was odd. An Ocampa: they live only 9 years, have children only once (in a really odd way, no less: see "ELOGIUM" for her descriptions), and seemed to have underdeveloped mental abilities, like telepathy. While the underdeveloped abilities is an interesting arc to try to mine, it didn't seem to go very far... until it became the very reason for her exit.

Which brings me to the third problem... the writing. It seemed like the writers were struggling to give her good material. You can even look at "BEFORE AND AFTER" as the writers saying they are done with her already, especially considering that was produced in the later part of season 3.


While other characters can make a case for being "worst character", none of them suffered all three of the problems Kes had. Let's look at some of them...


Travis Mayweather - the writing definitely was short with him on that front. And while I do think he wasn't portrayed very well, my opinion of Anthony Montgomery's acting has softened over the years and rewatches. I don't think he was fantastic with dialogue, but he WAS very good with physical acting. What I mean by that is you completely believed that what he was doing at any given moment was exactly what he was ACTUALLY doing. (Like in "MINEFIELD", literally sweating as he is very carefully navigating through the minefield, clearly showing not only that it's not an easy task but also the extreme focus he is showing on getting the job done.) And he does have scenes where he is convincing enough in what he's saying, so at least he is not portrayed totally badly. As far as the creation of his character... it was actually one of the best ideas of those seven leads. A boomer, who had more actual space experience than almost every other human among the crew. That was a good source for stories of that era. (And Mayweather gets bonus points for being probably the most unfailingly competent officer of the Enterprise.)

Hoshi Sato - while they rarely gave her character much to do, Linda Park certainly portrayed Hoshi VERY well. And she DID have a clear showing of growth through the series. As proof, just look at the first episode after the pilot, "FIGHT OR FLIGHT", and the next to last episode, "TERRA PRIME": she goes from a scared out of her mind person ready to jump ship to having a confident, strong presence on the bridge and standing up to a Prime Minister of Earth.

Beverly Crusher - while she wasn't given much to do in the series, I have to credit Gates McFadden for going all in on whatever she was given. (Example: "Sub Rosa".) Most of my issues with her are actually inherent with the character's traits rather than how they are portrayed. (Example: "Ethics".) And the creation of her character actually isn't bad: being CMO of the ship whose captain brought her dead husband's body home. Certainly some good stuff to mine there. Her biggest issues stemmed from not having enough to do. (Look at NEMESIS as a microcosm of her time on TNG.)



I don't really dislike Kes' character, but I have to say that considering the three tier problem she had, I think I can say pretty confidently that for me, Kes is the worst character of the leads in the Berman era. Particularly when you compare her to her replacement character, Seven of Nine, who is among the BEST characters in that era (and the franchise).


How about the rest of you? Agree that Kes is the 'worst character' among the leads of the Berman era? Maybe someone else? The usual suspects I see mentioned like Mayweather, Troi, Chakotay, or Kim? Another not usually mentioned?


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Kim. The answer is always Harry Kim. Clarinet? C'mon. Just go ahead and tell me he's a virgin. Kes? They were striving for something different but failed in the most bland and unimaginative manner possible.
 
I don't do ENT. But out of TNG, DS9, and VOY, I still think the most annoying character of the Berman Era is Neelix. I don't hate him, but he gets really irritating sometimes. I'm in the middle of the third season in my VOY Re-Watch, so this is all fresh in my mind.

I didn't and don't have a probem with Kes. If anything, I think Kes was really coming into her own during the third season. Do I think Seven is a stronger character who more can be done with? Yes. Seven is my favorite character VOY. But it would've been nice if they kept Kes after Seven was brought aboard.

If there was a character who had to go, I would've gotten rid of Neelix before getting rid of Kes. I know that Harry Kim was a candidate for the chopping block and got a reprieve, but I think it would've been too mean to get rid of him. I don't think Kim should've been written out either. He should've just been allowed to grow more as a character.

As far as TNG and DS9, I like all the characters there. That includes Wesley, who I never had a problem with either. First Season Bashir was annoying, but by the second season he was fine.
 
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I think Troi is underrated, she gets more humanising/funny moments than most other main characters in TNG. She also feels much more consistent between episodes than, say, Worf (who is either an amiable Saturday morning cartoon hero or a complete psycho, depending on writer) or Picard (whose worldview and personality shifts violently between episodes, and is held together almost entirely by Stewart doing his RSC voice for every line). That said, none of them really have to be particularly interesting, they just have to be people who can react when space shit starts happening, and they mostly do that well enough.

Kes is saved by Lien's performance, which is often really good despite the tough role. I think even just her agonised reactions to the EMH's flirtation attempt in "Lifesigns" give her more character than, like, Geordi got in 90% of episodes.

The only crewmember who really winds me up in any Star Trek (other than Picard in various episodes) is, oddly, Scotty. He's great in some episodes but he comes across as a complete knobhead in others to the point where you wonder why he's joined Starfleet at all. Early Neelix is pretty awful too but he gets much more tolerable as the show goes on, and Wesley mostly just seems to get hate because he's such an easy target.
 
The character of Kes had an interesting premise and lots of dramatic possibilities. So, naturally, Voyager did nothing with it. That was sorta their thing.

Given that she is supposed to only live 9 years, it would have been interesting to follow her for all 7 seasons of the show and explore what aging is like for the Ocampa. But, of course, we needed to make room for Spandex Barbie Borg* and Kim couldn't be the character to get the boot because some magazine thought he was hot or something.

*I am speaking here about the reasons for bringing Seven of Nine on board -- namely, the network wanted T&A to spice up the ratings -- and not about what the character ultimately became thanks to Jeri Ryan's fantastic acting abilities.
 
I don't subscribe to the notion that there was no place to go with Kes. That was the producers' line, and I found it was lazy. I think they didn't want to age her (probably Lien's reaction to makeup would be a problem), wanting her to look young and sexy. It probably also reflected their hesitation over syndication.

Indeed, I think Lien played the character older than the character's age and her own age. Only during specific episodes, like when she was taken over, that she appeared anything but level-headed and rational. I think Before and After shows Lien's range and the potential for Kes' character. She was another Spock-like character.

I challenge anyone to find some point at which Lien could not play older.
 
Kim. The answer is always Harry Kim. Clarinet? C'mon. Just go ahead and tell me he's a virgin. Kes? They were striving for something different but failed in the most bland and unimaginative manner possible.
Hey now. My son plays the clarinet quite well. (He also plays guitar, bass, piano, and percussion, but still. 😉)

Worst character? Kes was bland (lovely voice, though) but not bad enough to be the worst.

Could have done with less Neelix (once every 3-5 episodes would have been plenty).
 
Let's all hold one another through what's to come.

The answer, by the way, is Deanna Troi from Seasons 1 and 2. Thankfully she got a lot better over the next few seasons, but 1987-89 Deanna....yeah, not a whole lot there to get worked up over.

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I mean, Travis got almost nothing to do and the writers all but ignored him for four straight years, but he did fly the ship. He was the pilot for Earth's historic Warp 5 flagship. Deanna couldn't even muster that.
 
The pantheon of poorly developed and/or poorly conceived characters is definitely Troi, Crusher, Wesley, Pulaski, Yar, Kes, Chakotay, Kim, Mayweather and Hoshi.

Of those I will eliminate Troi as she did get a lot of comic relief moments and some very strong serious ones too with Night Terrors, Mind's Eye and my personal favourite TNG episode Face of the Enemy. She was also used for facepalmingly bad reasons too but Marina Sirtis can give a great performance with the right material.

Yar as she was brilliant in Yesterday's Enterprise (albeit not a regular at that point) and her story brought us Sela. In some weird way her poorly developed time in season 1 and abrupt pointless death gave her so much more to do and became a vehicle for great stories.

Hoshi has a strong arc of becoming more confident, albeit it's a pretty subtle arc in the background but if you pay attention you can see her growth. While she got the spotlight less than Reed her acting was stronger.

While Kes could have been used as a means to tell stories about other characters facing their mortality and learning to embrace life and live each day by following her example I don't think she's the weakest on the list. She was pretty bland most of the time and her being written off the show didn't make a shred of difference, nothing was lost to be blunt. But I think the other characters are worse either by being bad or just more boring.
 
The pantheon of poorly developed and/or poorly conceived characters is definitely Troi, Crusher, Wesley, Pulaski, Yar, Kes, Chakotay, Kim, Mayweather and Hoshi.

Of those I will eliminate Troi as she did get a lot of comic relief moments and some very strong serious ones too with Night Terrors, Mind's Eye and my personal favourite TNG episode Face of the Enemy. She was also used for facepalmingly bad reasons too but Marina Sirtis can give a great performance with the right material.

Yar as she was brilliant in Yesterday's Enterprise (albeit not a regular at that point) and her story brought us Sela. In some weird way her poorly developed time in season 1 and abrupt pointless death gave her so much more to do and became a vehicle for great stories.

Hoshi has a strong arc of becoming more confident, albeit it's a pretty subtle arc in the background but if you pay attention you can see her growth. While she got the spotlight less than Reed her acting was stronger.

While Kes could have been used as a means to tell stories about other characters facing their mortality and learning to embrace life and live each day by following her example I don't think she's the weakest on the list. She was pretty bland most of the time and her being written off the show didn't make a shred of difference, nothing was lost to be blunt. But I think the other characters are worse either by being bad or just more boring.
Of the characters you listed, I definitely cannot agree Pulaski should be part of it.

She got better growth and development in a single season than Beverly got in 6. And while Gates did give it her all in her episodes, Diana Muldaur, to me, was a much stronger actress.
 
I like Pulaski. She may have started out a lady Dr. McCoy with even more shade-throwing capability, but she kinda became an engaging character, and as early as "Elementary, Dear Data." Diana Muldaur never gets the love she deserves for her 22 episodes on the series.
 
I like Pulaski. She may have started out a lady Dr. McCoy with even more shade-throwing capability, but she kinda became an engaging character, and as early as "Elementary, Dear Data." Diana Muldaur never gets the love she deserves for her 22 episodes on the series.
Agreed. Even I didn't like her when she first appeared and for a couple years after, due to Data. I think it was my second rewatch that I really softened on her.


I do see where the bones of her character came from, but she became her own after a very short time. (Yes... the pun was intended. ;) )
 
Plus....she was just more interesting than Beverly, at least Beverly in Seasons 1 and 3. By 4 Gates was getting more meat to sink her teeth into and more good or at least serviceable episodes, but aside from "The High Ground" and "Transfigurations" her shining moments before 1990 aren't many.
 
I like Pulaski. She may have started out a lady Dr. McCoy with even more shade-throwing capability, but she kinda became an engaging character, and as early as "Elementary, Dear Data." Diana Muldaur never gets the love she deserves for her 22 episodes on the series.
Agreed. I feel like Pulaski got more character development in one season than Beverly got in six seasons and four movies.

Plus....she was just more interesting than Beverly, at least Beverly in Seasons 1 and 3. By 4 Gates was getting more meat to sink her teeth into and more good or at least serviceable episodes, but aside from "The High Ground" and "Transfigurations" her shining moments before 1990 aren't many.
I guess technically it was *in* 1990 rather than *before* 1990, but "Remember Me" is a favorite Beverly episode of mine as well. I thought McFadden did really well with that one.
 
Agreed. I feel like Pulaski got more character development in one season than Beverly got in six seasons and four movies.


I guess technically it was *in* 1990 rather than *before* 1990, but "Remember Me" is a favorite Beverly episode of mine as well. I thought McFadden did really well with that one.
I love "Remember Me", as well. Very much like an episode of THE TWILIGHT ZONE.
 
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