Well there was The Visitor and Endgame.
Kelvin Timeline all but confirmed
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Yeah, you're undoubtly right, the 90s was Star Trek's 2nd golden age! There's still a ton of brand recognition. And the people growing up on TNG and the follow-up series are slowly turning into age to became writers and producers themselves. Because of that I have no doubt Trek will return to the post-TNG/DS9/VOY/NEM-era someday. Even though it will look nothing like it was depicted in 'Endgame' or 'All good things'. A post-NEM series is going to look as different from NEM as DIS looks different from TOS, and I'm absolutely fine with that. I'm mostly for a post-NEM era show to return to the "uncharted, open ended future" Tarek71 so fittingly named. Stylistically I'm fine with any re-invention/-imagining.
My only statement was, that in the current Hollywood climate, nobody's going to make a big-budget, vfx-heavy movie without a heavy action element. And TNG simply doesn't provide that. DS9/VOY/ENT do, but those aren't well-known in mainstream enough. That's why, regarding near future on the movie side, we're probably going to see an endless cycle of Kirk/Spock-reboots/re-imaginings. IF we get any bug-budget Trek movies in the near future at all.
So what your saying is we should let George Takei have his Captain Sulu series?
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I don't think the 24th Century has been done to death. I think the style of story telling seen in TNG, DSN, and VOy has been done to death. *cough* B&B *cough*
To paraphrase: It wasn't the series finale Enterprise wanted; it was the series finale Enterprise deserved.
The ENT finale episode: "These Are The Voyages"
but IMO a better acronym translation is:
"This Ain't The Valentine" (to the fans.)
To paraphrase: It wasn't the series finale Enterprise wanted; it was the series finale Enterprise deserved.
Definitely all true. Also, I was surprised they went the route of a prequel. Not surprised that it is in Prime. However, if I had to choose a prequel, this would be the exact time period.
However, going forward, extending the franchise into the 25th century and beyond is the only long-term option. When you create gaps between the last series (in-universe timeframe) and the next series, it really reduces the canon/continuity concerns.
It's like the transition from TOS to TNG. You get the freedom to change things up and make it fresh. Yet, you're still in the same continuity. From the perspective of TNG, TOS happened, yet TNG was free to be very different. That's the way forward in the long run.
ST:NEM shows otherwise. On it's opening weekend it grossed LESS then "Maid in Manhattan" (with Jenifer Lopez for) and was #2. And ST:INS didn't do that well either. It was obvious TNG had run it's course. Not even ST:V tanked that badly.
Are they TNG reboots? I think you miss my point.
And I think maid in manhattan had a better advertising campaign......
I actually love both INS and NEM but I have to agree visually they weren't up to par with other Syfy at the time.
NEM was right there, but suffered from poor storytelling, pacing and villain.
That's an apt comparison, especially for INS. They played like TV 'cast reunite for last adventure' movies, not big cinema releases.
Out of the 79 episodes of TOS, there were only 7 episodes that included Klingons, 2 that included Romulans (plus one additional in which Romulans were mentioned), and 3 with Vulcans other than Spock.
The other 66 episodes used one-off aliens or situations, many which were never mentioned again in any Star Trek TV or movie made since.
It seems to me that if TOS could tell 66 one-off stories that don't rely on revisiting known aliens, settings, or other aspects of their 23rd century setting, then DSC should be able to tell a lot of original stories of their own that don't rely on anything else we've seen so far.
The other 66 episodes used one-off aliens or situations, many which were never mentioned again in any Star Trek TV or movie made since.
It seems to me that if TOS could tell 66 one-off stories that don't rely on revisiting known aliens, settings, or other aspects of their 23rd century setting, then DSC should be able to tell a lot of original stories of their own that don't rely on anything else we've seen so far.
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Well, they're just telling one story, right?
Even if this season (and other seasons?) will have one over-arching story line that pervades through all of the episodes, I'm sure there will be a multitude of weekly situations that they will incur, and multiple aliens they will encounter along the way.
What I mean is that I still think there will be a level of "episodic-ness" to DSC even if the main story is a single over-arching thing.
Indeed. I think that's how it'll go as well. BSG is the best breakdown for this. Each episode had a different story, but the overall arcs were still in place.
The Passage is a great example of that - the episode is it's own story; travelling through a radioactive nebula thingy (actual details have been forgotten in my head
). Meanwhile it carries on the tension between two pilots, the overall resource issue from previous episodes, focuses on a few personal plots, and advances the Cylon story arc with Three.
Each element is it's own thing and the episode itself has it's own purpose while it contributes to the overall arc.
I find it odd that - after years of this exact style of story telling across several genre's (Dexters another that springs to mind) - the assumption that this is one prolonged story still exists.
The Passage is a great example of that - the episode is it's own story; travelling through a radioactive nebula thingy (actual details have been forgotten in my head
). Meanwhile it carries on the tension between two pilots, the overall resource issue from previous episodes, focuses on a few personal plots, and advances the Cylon story arc with Three.Each element is it's own thing and the episode itself has it's own purpose while it contributes to the overall arc.
I find it odd that - after years of this exact style of story telling across several genre's (Dexters another that springs to mind) - the assumption that this is one prolonged story still exists.
RDM's BSG is probably the WORST example, because honestly the writers had no real plan - and yes in the last season they TRIED tom tie all the randomness of previous seasons and lead up to the (largely dissapointing) finale; but the team even admitted - THEY DIDN'T HAVE A PLAN.Indeed. I think that's how it'll go as well. BSG is the best breakdown for this. Each episode had a different story, but the overall arcs were still in place.
The Passage is a great example of that - the episode is it's own story; travelling through a radioactive nebula thingy (actual details have been forgotten in my head
Each element is it's own thing and the episode itself has it's own purpose while it contributes to the overall arc.
I find it odd that - after years of this exact style of story telling across several genre's (Dexters another that springs to mind) - the assumption that this is one prolonged story still exists.
Here's the thing - they have 15 episodes to tell whatever story they're telling this season. Maybe they'll do a 'one off callback' episode that is in the vein of classic TOS (in that it's a stand alone self contained story); but I'll be honest and say I wouldn't expect it.
Tim will tell.
Can we ask Tim then?
RDM's BSG is probably the WORST example, because honestly the writers had no real plan - and yes in the last season they TRIED tom tie all the randomness of previous seasons and lead up to the (largely dissapointing) finale; but the team even admitted - THEY DIDN'T HAVE A PLAN.
Here's the thing - they have 15 episodes to tell whatever story they're telling this season. Maybe they'll do a 'one off callback' episode that is in the vein of classic TOS (in that it's a stand alone self contained story); but I'll be honest and say I wouldn't expect it.
Tim will tell.
They did have a plan though...a blueprint...half the stuff people complain about was in the original...including religious Starbuck stuff. The good news is we didn't have the on earth stuff xD
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