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Kelvin Timeline all but confirmed

It's simply easier for them not to set the show in the movie timeline so they don't have to worry about movie content either now or in the future.

No arguments there and it was actually what I really meant (even though I referenced the lawyers as a joke). Why would the show's creators and producers make their lives harder and go to the trouble of having to reach out to the movies producers and coordinate things?
 
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I like that we can now basically categorize Klingons in the same way we categorize peanut butter. :rofl: :p

So what is the idea supposed to be? That these are simply the standard level 'bumpy' Klingons, just with more detailed makeup than they used 20+ years ago? Because I'm afraid that I would find it very hard to retcon the idea in my head that Worf 'really' looked like these buggers all along, rather than looking like a regular dude with a cool crinkle-cut forehead.

I can just about accept Mirror Mirror's suggestion that it's more genetic engineering, given we've seen that become actual story fodder/canon thanks to Deep Space Nine and Enterprise. But for me to accept that, it needs to be a) stated clearly on screen that this is what they are, and b) the new Klingons ideally need to be seen alongside the old Klingons to help "sell" the idea.
Michael Dorn was going to be in Discovery playing a Klingon. Could you picture him in that costume?
 
I'd probably find it a lot easier to rationalize the 'Discovery' production design being modernized, as nobody was ever going to make a show with sets and uniforms replicating those seen in the sixties. :p But it's actually the Klingon redesign (so closely aping that seen in the Kelvin films) that I find a little harder to take. I'm not usually someone who quibbles over these kinds of pointless details too much, life's too short for that. :D But I can see myself finding accepting that change to be just a little bit too far in my mind, and I'll probably end up seeing 'Discovery' as a prequel to the Kelvin films, rather than a prequel to TOS, just because anything else would probably bug me too much in the long run.

That's not to mean I'd have expected them to use bare-headed Klingons with racist blackface and Fu-Manchu beards. :guffaw: But like in 'Enterprise' before it, something in the vein of the TNG Klingons or even the subtlety different TMP Klingons with their spiney-spines might have been acceptable. Those 'Discovery' Klingons are just too much like the ones in the Kelvin-verse for me to overlook it. (Although, funnily enough, both the 'Discovery' and 'Kelvin' Klingons seem to bare some similarity to the pre-evolved Worf from TNG episode "Genesis".) Are they meant simply to be yet another strain/race of Klingons we've never saw before? :wtf:
I can buy the new Klingons meaning this isn't Prime a lot more than the uniforms or sets. The ships and uniforms have changed a lot more often than the Klingons, so I can see why the change to Klingons might indicate to some people it isn't Prime. I still think it is Prime, but I am curious to see if we're going to get an explanation for the Klingons we see in the trailer.
If this is the regular look for the Klingons, then I have to wonder what other redesigns we might see as the show goes on.
 
Fans never like to hear this but it's true. Canon by definition is "officially sanctioned" technically canon isn't set by Fans it's set by the franchise owners. They have repeatedly said it's prime canon so it is. You might hate it/never watch it but it is "canon" now fans often have their own personal beliefs of what is "true trek". Simply put Discovery is canon, but that in no way means it's good. For me I liked the trailer but will hold judgement on if it fits my idea of "true trek" until after I watch at least a full season of growth. I don't consider any of the Chris Pine movies true trek but those aren't because of lens flares and visuals. It's story line things like, how the hell does Kirk get to be first officer immediately out of the academy?
 
We shouldn't use the word "canon" anyway. The word is being abused, raped, and mistreated in modern fandoms. I prefer "continuity." Much more appropriate imo.

I'll add that no one has said Disc is "prime timeline" or "prime canon." There's a tweet from the SP that was posted around the time of the trailer release. He said "it's not a reboot or reimagining. It's a genuine prequel to TOS." Prior to that, there's the ambiguous statement from Bryan Fuller before he left the show.
 
Fans never like to hear this but it's true. Canon by definition is "officially sanctioned" technically canon isn't set by Fans it's set by the franchise owners. They have repeatedly said it's prime canon so it is.

Kelvin and Prime are the SAME canon. Theyre even within the same continuity.

'Differing canons' are when sub-properties are completely seperate entities in their own right. For eg. BSG and Nu-BSG.

He said "it's not a reboot or reimagining. It's a genuine prequel to TOS." Prior to that, there's the ambiguous statement from (the showrunner) before he left the show.

Everything ENT has happened before, and will again.
 
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I am curious to see if we're going to get an explanation for the Klingons we see in the trailer.

If not, there's a line in Enterprise that could cover it. When Archer is on trial he's told that Klingon culture is being dominated by the warriors; their ways have been glorified and overshadowing the rest of them (such as the educated lawyers etc).

While that was clearly a nod to the shift to the warrior style by the 24th century, it could be that there were many different types of Klingons; not just in culture, but look and physiology. The Discovery type may have dominated for a time but in the end, the warriors made their enemies - including the houses we see - extinct. And DS9 shows that Klingon history is complete bollocks anyway during the wedding episode.

It's a stretch of a fan theory, but most fan theories are. So why not? ;)
 
Fans never like to hear this but it's true. Canon by definition is "officially sanctioned" technically canon isn't set by Fans it's set by the franchise owners. They have repeatedly said it's prime canon so it is. You might hate it/never watch it but it is "canon" now fans often have their own personal beliefs of what is "true trek". Simply put Discovery is canon, but that in no way means it's good. For me I liked the trailer but will hold judgement on if it fits my idea of "true trek" until after I watch at least a full season of growth. I don't consider any of the Chris Pine movies true trek but those aren't because of lens flares and visuals. It's story line things like, how the hell does Kirk get to be first officer immediately out of the academy?
Field promotion. And I just talked about this in another thread ;)
 
It's like my profile, I'm completely new to this page, Kirk being first officer day one is like if someone read the three posts I've ever made on this site and made me an admin.
 
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