The Hansen's must have heard something since they went looking when Seven was a small child. And we have Guinan and the El Aurians showing up on the Federation's doorstep in the 23rd Century, surely they mention the Borg.
Kelvin Timeline all but confirmed
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Yep!
Here's how it usually plays out: If we're looking for reasons to criticize something we already dislike (or are pre-disposed to dislike), we will zero in on whatever plot holes or continuity glitches we can find. But we'll overlook similar gaffes in movies or episodes that we enjoyed anyway.
This is not just a Trekkie thing, of course. The same applies to, say, comic-book adaptations.
If the movie is good, we'll overlook deviations from the original comics. But if the movie disappoints . . . well, it's obviously because they deviated from the comics!
The Chekov stuff was just run of the mill "That time at that place with the things" backstory expo. It wouldn't have been any different had the episode never existed and Khan had been originally convinced for the film. And it's also immaterial.
That stuff that is important--the death of Khan's wife--doesn't even happen on screen. It's more backstory. If fact, that goes to show just how much it isn't a sequel. Heck, there's no actual evidence his wife was even McGivers. That's just the common assumption. While it's a fair one, and mostly supported by stuff Bennett has said over the years, it's never specifically stated on screen. So even that direct connection to the episode is forfeit.
Or to put it another way: Change things up a bit. Say Khan and McGivers get married in the episode but Kirk's actions directly lead to her death. Kirk still stops Khan and his people and sends them off to live in CA5. CA6 blows up and everything else happens as is. In that case, the events of the episode are directly related and connected to the film. Any continuity shared between them would then be important.
But that's not how it is. The connections between episode and film are superficial. The continuity is just there. But it isn't relevant or necessary. It's not the tree, it's the ornaments. And if a writer wants to move the ornaments around or replace a star with bulb, he should feel free to do so. (And, no, I have no idea why I'm using a Christmas analogy in May.)
I've been going with "missing the forest for the trees" myself.
I mean, we're getting a cool-looking new STAR TREK tv series, for the first time in years, and everybody's obsessing over the friggin' costumes and window dressing?
For what it's worth, USA TODAY just described the new trailer as "brilliantly produced" and enticing, which suggests that the trailer is playing well out there in the real world.
It's our way.I've been going with "missing the forest for the trees" myself.
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Throughout Trek, though, stardates are generally sequential in number, so it could have simply been a in-universe case that we saw the episodes out of order (it's no secret that TOS's broadcast order differs slightly from production order).
It's just a way that Chekov could have been on the Enterprise with Khan. But even if you dismiss stardate order, it could have been just that Chekov was already on the ship during "Space Seed" and their encounter was offscreen. I think that's the explanation that most folks went with.
Yeah. And Chekov was among the crew, clearly. What I'm saying is that we were explicitly told by the Great Bird not to assume that things necessarily unfolded in stardate order. That doesn't preclude "Catspaw" from coming before "Space Seed," and nor does it make it unreasonable that Chekov was somewhere among the crew during "Space Seed," which incidentally wouldn't have been unreasonable even if it hadn't turned out to be the case for sure that he was, as it did in TWOK.Throughout Trek, though, stardates are generally sequential in number, so it could have simply been a in-universe case that we saw the episodes out of order (it's no secret that TOS's broadcast order differs slightly from production order).
It's just a way that Chekov could have been on the Enterprise with Khan. But even if you dismiss stardate order, it could have been just that Chekov was already on the ship during "Space Seed" and their encounter was offscreen. I think that's the explanation that most folks went with.
It just means that the fact that the stardates are in a certain order doesn't mean it fits together. It's all in the fact that the order was established by Chekov actually being there in "Space Seed."
They are the same thing. You are handwaving "this always happened" without any proof. I just gave you an exsample of an issue FC causes. The borg got yo earth, there was always gonna be clues and some very high tech left over even if ENT did not address it.
This could be explained by the notion that Reliant approached on a vector that would have had the (original) position of Ceti Alpha V hidden behind the main star. And since, as Khan said, CA5's orbit shifted making it appear as if it was CA6, it would make sense if it was in the same relative position in the star system, as CA6 would have had to have been extremely close to CA5 to shift its orbit after exploding. The only real caveat is the explosion of CA6 should have pushed CA5 inward towards the star, not outward, taking CA6's place in its orbit. But then again, maybe there were other elements of that system that could have affected the orbital mechanics? Unseen mini-black holes, gas giants exerting extra gravity, etc. Who knows what other effects CA6's explosion had on the rest of the system?
There are plenty of explanations out there as to why this might have been said and cited here.
That's bad casting. Not bad writing. However, if we were to assume that they were all genetically engineered, and that most, if not all those youngin's were born after the explosion (6 months after they were left there), it stands to reason that a part of that genetic engineering allowed for a rapid adaptation in extreme environments at very young ages. Perhaps the new children of CA5 physically adapted their skin tone, texture, melanin and hair to their new desert surroundings at the molecular level, resulting in their odd "Aryan Youth" look.
No Borg tech visibly ended up on earth in FC. Fed tech yes.
They blew a 600 meter borg ship up in orbit. We see massive sections rain everywhere, including earth. Bits will make it down.
You're not wrong, but I do feel they were going for 'death as a result of his choices' angle as well. Death he was responsible for
Eh, it's really not that big of a deal. It was just an idea that some have used for this instance. There have been others floated about.
I think every CO in a combat situation deals with that.
I always told myself that Chekov was always a part of that crew. We just didn't see him until season two. So I give them a pass on that one.
It's not going to be the "Kelvin timeline."
They'll name-check the "Prime timeline" and then do whatever they want. Bank on that.
And even when they DO do whatever they want, it won't be the "ZOMG canon violation!" that everyone thinks. Even when respecting the continuity of the prime timeline, there's more wiggle room than we think.
We hate wiggle room. Unless the wiggle is part of our personal canon.
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