Kate Mulgrew and Jeri Ryan?
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Can you explain a bit more???
Garret wang mentioned it in a interview I'm sure someone here has a link to it, Kate mulgrew resented what Seven stood for, and she took out her frustrations upon Jeri Ryan rather than tptb, seemingly she made life a misery for the entire cast in doing so.
This is why according to wang Jeri Ryans not so keen on talking star trek, which may explain why only now is she going to do a convention after how many years absence from them, perhaps someone will ask her about it.
This is why according to wang Jeri Ryans not so keen on talking star trek, which may explain why only now is she going to do a convention after how many years absence from them, perhaps someone will ask her about it.
I would hope people would be wise enough NOT to ask her about it. One of the reasons the one-sided lambasting has gone on for so long is fans deliberately asking Mulgrew about it, knowing she'll rise to the opportunity.
If folks want Jeri to be generous enough to do future appearances, I suggest they stay clear of a topic that discomforts her (and would discomfort anyone in her place). Common sense and decency.
If folks want Jeri to be generous enough to do future appearances, I suggest they stay clear of a topic that discomforts her (and would discomfort anyone in her place). Common sense and decency.
It's true that Jeri has steered clear of answering questions about her arrival on the show and reception by the cast, but that might be because she's uncomfortable with the fact that she "bumped" Jennifer Lien off of the show (although that probably wasn't her intent) and climbed into bed with the producer in the process.
I think if Jeri is a lady, then Kate would certainly qualify as a lady, too.
I think if Jeri is a lady, then Kate would certainly qualify as a lady, too.
Acting chops and charisma don't make one a lady. That's a matter of manners and ethics.
I love how some people try to turn Kate's flaws into Jeri's fault. Accept that she's not perfect...neither are, as humans, but Jeri certainly seems to have one up on the latter two traits I mentioned...and let's all move on and enjoying them both for what they gave us as actors on Voyager.
Please.
I love how some people try to turn Kate's flaws into Jeri's fault. Accept that she's not perfect...neither are, as humans, but Jeri certainly seems to have one up on the latter two traits I mentioned...and let's all move on and enjoying them both for what they gave us as actors on Voyager.
Please.
I don't know the woman, so I would not go so far as to say she doesn't. By the same token, though, I really don't see how it's fair for people (I'm trying NOT to limit this to Kate fans, however tempted) to perpetually imply that the acrimony about Jeri she constantly flaunts is somehow Jeri's fault.
The politics of entertainment work aside, what precisely has Ms. Ryan ever done personally to Ms. Mulgrew to deserve such scathing dislike and public deriding, from Mulgrew herself or her fans?
I apologize for making a blanket statement, but in *this* particular situation, I think Jeri has expressed dignity and restraint far beyond Kate.
Common sense and decency? Trek fans?
At the next big Con, put a bucket of ashes on a dealer table. Add a sign reading "Gene Roddenberry's Remains."
Watch the common sense and decency fly.
I doubt Jerri Ryan thinks much about Kate Mulgrew anymore. Why would she? Do any of you still think about people from a job you had several years ago?
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She's going to ComicCon to promote a game for which she voices the main character. Her presence has nothing to do with Trek.
She publicizes current projects, not jobs that ended 6 years ago.
As a result, I doubt that she'll take any questions on Voyager or Kate.
You mean like "bumping Jen Lien off the show" or "climbing into bed with the Producer"?AuntKate said:
Kate doesn't have manners and ethics, but Jeri does? Oh, I love it when people take pot shots and then say, "Let's not take pot shots."
But, oh yes, by all means. Let's all move on.
Yes, let's not take shots or make up falsehoods painting either women as a bitch or a whore.
"Just wait for 2030..." Why 2030?
I don't ever want "dirt", but I would like an accurate, dispassionate account of how much animosity there was, or was not, between them. For one thing, I'd like to know a bit more about these people, because I just generally like to know more about creative people.
I don't ever want "dirt", but I would like an accurate, dispassionate account of how much animosity there was, or was not, between them. For one thing, I'd like to know a bit more about these people, because I just generally like to know more about creative people.
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You mean like "bumping Jen Lien off the show" or "climbing into bed with the Producer"?AuntKate said:
Kate doesn't have manners and ethics, but Jeri does? Oh, I love it when people take pot shots and then say, "Let's not take pot shots."
But, oh yes, by all means. Let's all move on.
Yes, let's not take shots or make up falsehoods painting either women as a bitch or a whore.
I was merely suggesting that Jeri might have other motivations besides being a "lady" for not addressing the situation. That the Seven character replaced Kes is a fact, as is Jeri's (now defunct) relationship with Brannon Braga.
I never implied that Jeri is a bitch or a whore. I think you're the one who used those words.
What other motivations, exactly? Does Kate have an assassin out to hire in case she opens her mouth and defends herself? I'm not finding any sensible reason she would keep her mouth shut besides hoping to be the bigger person. At this point, I don't think many but the rabid Kate defenders would fault her for flat out being sick and tired of being verbally abused and saying 'Enough'.
Yes, Seven replacing Kes was a fact. It's not a new thing to shows, cast changes, and without rehashing past debates, implying that Jeri shoved Jennifer out the door is ridiculous.
She may have been involved with Braga, but I seriously doubt the man had solo power to sweep other stars out of the way just to make room for his girlfriend. Even if he did have such authority, I find it incredibly hard to believe that Jeri would have willingly taken a role on a show already known for generally leading to career oblivion knowing her intentions would be examined with a microscope.
It's nonsense.
I added the emphasis to the quote above for this reason: I have read most of what Kate has said publicly about Jeri in transcripts on sites and in the published articles. When read in context, Kate is complimentary of Jeri's acting ability and her work on Voyager. She doesn't constantly flaunt acrimony toward Jeri, and she has never expressed a scathing dislike nor has she publicly derided her. She has said that they aren't friends.
I want it on record that I am a Jeri fan and that I love the Seven character. I think the episodes Jeri did were excellent and I'm glad that she's gone on to show that she has real talent--over and above her obvious physical assets.
What I dislike is the immediate labeling of Kate as the "bad guy" in this situation. I ask you to read her comments on Jeri (Totally Kate has a nice collection of her articles and con talks) with an open mind and come back here and show me where she "constantly flaunts" acrimony, expresses scathing dislike, or publicly derides her.
Whatever they feel about each other, they both managed to work together and produce some of the most compelling scenes in the series, IMHO. I'd love to see them work together again, and I bet they would do so with the same level of professionalism that they both have used in the past.
Nope, worked with quite a few people that had on the job relationships between supervisor & co-worker. They never played favorites and there was never any issue of it in any place I worked where this happened. If there ever was or could have been a conflict of interest, another supervisor stepped in to handle the job. In this case, it would be Berman. While I'm sure it happens, it has never been my experance.
What exactly was your point then for the comment "climbing into bed with the producer"?
BTW, to answer your question about Kate commenting publically about Jeri. Valley Forge, Penn. at a Convention sponsered by Creation that I personally attended. Kate was asked if she and Jeri got along, her reply for all to hear was: "We didn't get along." She then went on too make a speech about how she hates younger women in Hollywood taking and upstaging older ones. All this was said of her own free will.
Take it as you will.
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