How dare CBS make and sell a product in their own store? Gasp!
Karl Urban still knows nothing about Star Trek 4 as Paramount fills out summer 2019 slate.
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How dare CBS make and sell a product in their own store? Gasp!
They were not my cup of tea.
I do agree they could have done more character development, but they were making MI/Transformer slam-bang movies for the general public who want that kinda thing.
I'm really liking the depth and ambiguity of DSC though I have said in discussing JJ Trek I like my heroes fully-formed. Maybe that only applies to TOS since I grew up with adult, non-angsty Shatner Kirk and far-less-volatile Nimoy Spock. They wre my childhood heroes.
I liked the TOS movies because it was another chance to see my beloved friends again. I just didn't care about the new incarnations. YMMV and most assuredly does. LLAP
I do agree they could have done more character development, but they were making MI/Transformer slam-bang movies for the general public who want that kinda thing.
I'm really liking the depth and ambiguity of DSC though I have said in discussing JJ Trek I like my heroes fully-formed. Maybe that only applies to TOS since I grew up with adult, non-angsty Shatner Kirk and far-less-volatile Nimoy Spock. They wre my childhood heroes.
I liked the TOS movies because it was another chance to see my beloved friends again. I just didn't care about the new incarnations. YMMV and most assuredly does. LLAP
Seeing characters before they "arrived" makes you all the more curious if there's a disconnect - how did they get to their idealistic selves? And what hints of their less-idealistic selves can you spot after the fact in their TOS iterations (which were not intended as such but can be taken now as such)
What neither Paramount or CBS want is more Star Trek oversaturation and franchise fatigue. There were no Trek TV series while the three Star Trek film deal with Bad Robot was in full effect and seeing a decent return.
Likewise - now that there's a TV series; there won't be any further feature film discussion until said series has run it's course.
It's all business. They no longer believe Star Trek can maintain both a TV series and feature film franchise in tandem; so they'll alternate.
Likewise - now that there's a TV series; there won't be any further feature film discussion until said series has run it's course.
It's all business. They no longer believe Star Trek can maintain both a TV series and feature film franchise in tandem; so they'll alternate.
i don't agree.
CBS and paramount obviously have an arrangement that prevents them from stepping on each other's toes, but i suspect it's a limited one. remember the stories about abrams' frustration with the CBS/paramount divide? allegedly, bad robot and paramount asked CBS to cool it with the original series merchandise so they could market star trek into darkness and CBS said no. i think it proves neither company really cares about saturation or having some kind of symbiotic relationship. if discovery proves to be a success for CBS, paramount will want their piece of the pie.
and hollywood never recognizes market saturation until it's too late. both holders of the IP will capitalize until they can't.
I think this kelvin timeline movies are over. its such a shame and almost makes me mad about the missed opportunity that paramount displayed that things have fallen apart to this extent. I dont think we will get a trek 4. it was fun while it lasted but for me I feel the beginning of the end of this series was
1. waiting 4 freaking years for the sequel
2. when it was announced that star wars was coming back and JJ Abrams will be the director
3. how very dividing Into Darkness became.
these 3 factors is what really killed this series, so no there will not be any 4th film. its very unlikely.
1. waiting 4 freaking years for the sequel
2. when it was announced that star wars was coming back and JJ Abrams will be the director
3. how very dividing Into Darkness became.
these 3 factors is what really killed this series, so no there will not be any 4th film. its very unlikely.
Agree. STID whether you liked, loved, or disliked it did NOT become what JJ n crew plus Paramount envisioned or desired to take the franchise to the next tier in terms of $$$$$ n popularity
Into Darkness made half a billion worldwide, the franchise's all-time record. Maybe polarising Trek is better than safe Trek which gets nobody talking and nobody going to the cinema.
Yet, into Darkness is the highest grossing film worldwide in the franchise. It must have done something right. The problem lies with beyond in my opinion, and the marketing and release date of it. If beyond had come out in may and done similar numbers to STID (and there's every chance it would have), alongside a decent marketing campaign, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
I think it's a lock we will get Star Trek 4. If you start over with a new cast your basically looking like "The Amazing Spiderman" and being a new Trek set to soon after the last version of "TOS" I think what they will do though is try and bring a big name director on par with a J.J Abrams and maybe another A-List actor to help sell tickets. Also I think the main reason the last movie failed was because it was directed by the guy nobody knows all that much and your main aliens were aliens of the week instead of a more beloved species or established character in the franchise. What does it say that some of Trek's most successful movies have relied on it's past elements like Khan,The Borg and modern day earth which isn't a old Trek element but actually 10 times better when getting casual fans to watch because it was set in the "real" world.
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Into Darkness was a solid film until the nonsensical third.
YMMV. I thought the last third captured the feeling of a very tenuous situation falling completely out of control extremely well.
Agree on all accounts. Alongside the 4 years gap, Star Wars’ huge return and STID’s second album syndrome I would add Paramount’s piss poor marketing for Beyond and their utter failure to capitalize on Trek’s 50th year anniversary.
I seem to remember reading that Paramount has to release a Star Trek movie within a certain amount of time otherwise they lose the license. I don't know how true that is, but if it is true then there will almost certainly be another movie at some point.
A problem is that TPTB don't understand that Star Trek isn't going to compete with the big boys so they should expect it to, or give it similar budgets. I don't want cheap feeling movies like Insurrection, but there's no reason they have to cost as much as they do.
A problem is that TPTB don't understand that Star Trek isn't going to compete with the big boys so they should expect it to, or give it similar budgets. I don't want cheap feeling movies like Insurrection, but there's no reason they have to cost as much as they do.
I think it's Fox that have to keep making various Marvel superhero movies within a certain number of years or else the rights revert back to Marvel/Disney, but I don't believe that's the case with Paramount and CBS. I think with Paramount all they have to renew their license when it comes close to expiring, regardless if they make a movie or not between renewals.
Hmm.... I suddenly sense a bit of...dejavu.
Before the Discovery announcement the party-line here was that Trek simply could not have another series. It was just...impossible!
Well, here we have it.
Considering how much some aspects of Discovery have turned off fans, now the new party-line is "this is the direction new Trek's gonna take...period!"
The only direction Hollywood will take a franchise is a profitable one.
Sure, Discovery may be presold for 2 seasons, but if at the end of the day it struggles to generate any real fan support, then don't be surprised if future series have a different tone or look and feel. Fuller left. Who is to say Alex Kurtzman's position is written in stone?
It seems that after JJ left that the air has been deflating from the Kelvin balloon. Would Alex have gotten his gig had he not worked with JJ? If there's a perception that the Kelvin approach has sort of run its course I can see them wanting to try something different and bring in new blood.
As far as I know, CBS and Paramount are still part of the same corporate structure. If the board says jump, both ask how high.
I know, factually, that Star Trek Beyond had the weakest box office performance, but critically I find it hard to credit, because it was the best of the Kelvinverse movies by a wide margin, IMO.
I thought it stank, the worst of the three, but I don't think people who agree with me are the problem. It's the vast majority that simply don't care.
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