Justin Lin on the Trailer and Beyond's Clash of Philosophies

[Terok Nor]

Never heard the term Bermanite before. What's that?

I don't know why people get so butt hurt about the opinions of other people about Trek. Does it really make a difference to your life if someone loves the old Trek more than the new Trek or vice versa? For me the last 2 movies were not what I want from Star Trek but this new one sounds like it's up my street. You can please some of the people some of the time. You can't please all of the people all of the time. Nothing wrong with voicing different opinions about stuff. No one will die if someone disagrees with them or doesn't share their tastes.

 

[fireproof78]

Berman era Star Trek?

 

[Terok Nor]

Berman era Star Trek?

So a regular Star Trek fan? Aren't we all regular Trek fans in one way or another even if we don't like or watch all the shows?

 

[M'Sharak]

Never heard the term Bermanite before. What's that?

It's either a monoclinic-sphenoidal mineral containing hydrogen, manganese, oxygen, and phosphorus, or an unnecessarily divisive term with no agreed-upon practical definition - one which I would dearly love to see not derailing this thread further.

Aren't we all regular Trek fans in one way or another even if we don't like or watch all the shows?

I would like to think so.

 

[fireproof78]

Never heard the term Bermanite before. What's that?

It's either a monoclinic-sphenoidal mineral containing hydrogen, manganese, oxygen, and phosphorus, or an unnecessarily divisive term with no agreed-upon practical definition - one which I would dearly love to see not derailing this thread further.

Aren't we all regular Trek fans in one way or another even if we don't like or watch all the shows?

I would like to think so.

Me too. It drives me nuts the way fandom gets parsed down to whatever component is agreed or disagreed upon.

 

[Yanks]

Trekcore's post from today is a nice roundup of Lin's interviews lately:
http://trekcore.com/blog/2015/12/justin-lin-on-star-trek-beyond-trailer-and-more/

So the Bermanites have their damned philosophy in the movie. The director said so. Can the rest of us get back to having some fun Star Trek now?

So the "Bermanites" aren't part of our community?

Not at all what he said, is it? His complaint concerns the use in this movie of the Modern Trek interpretation of the Prime Directive, as opposed to the Original Series model.

If you're interested in twisting words or setting up straw men with an aim toward having a joust between one subset of Trek fans and another, let me invite you right now to take that elsewhere. It has no place in this forum or on TrekBBS.

Oh get over yourself.

I wasn't setting up anything aside from expressing a little frustration as to yet another splinter group of trek fans. singled out by someone for whatever reason. They obviously have some different interpretation than some other faction. The post also implies that they take the "fun" out of things I guess. Does that imply that TOS was the only "fun" trek? I wanted some clarification.

Modern trek? Is that trek after TOS, or after "Berman trek"? ... or just after TNG? .. or excluding DS9 which Berman wasn't that involved with? .. or after TOS to exclude ENT? ... or TOS Movies, ... or Generations .... or TNG movies ... our new trek movies?

I guess you know that he was referring to the prime directive... not in his comments at all. Thanks for coming off your high horse and enlightening us.

Please leave now as my comment was not argumentative or judgmental as yours seems to be.

I'll go back to being excited and encouraged about Mr. Lin's comments and remain optimistic about STB.

Happy Holidays. Hope you don't get a lump of coal.

 

[Christopher]

Me too. It drives me nuts the way fandom gets parsed down to whatever component is agreed or disagreed upon.

And the way some Trek fans forget that Trek is about infinite diversity in infinite combinations -- about welcoming new and different perspectives and being open to learning from them, not condemning them as a betrayal or corruption of the pure faith.

 

[Mudd]

Community?

We're a mob.

 

[ancient]

TrekBBS is where I go to be told that every aspect of Trek I like is "the worst part". It wakes me up in the morning.

 

[stardream]

Master & Commander is the best Star Trek film that isn't a Star Trek film.

...I don't even know how that's possible. Great story, amazing visuals, fantastic acting from the leads, two intense "roll out the guns" naval battles, and a heart pounding score.

I suppose some of it depends on whether you find the setting interesting to begin with or not.

During the long drought of no new Trek worth watching, I was hooked on the Hornblower miniseries that ran from 98 to 01(03?). That was also pretty great.

I loved Master and Commander (and read the books) but I never saw it through through Star Trek Goggles. I might have to watch it again....

The interview was good but I don't have to be 'convinced' of anything. I have been to movies that I thought I would hate only for them to turn out to be not so bad after all and some of them became favorites. Going in with an open mind has always been my policy.

I also have reached a point where I no longer care what someone else thinks of my likes and dislikes. The can label me and insult my parentage but it doesn't matter. I'll listen to their side of course but I highly doubt anything they have to say will change my mind.

 

[Gravitas]

Master & Commander is the best Star Trek film that isn't a Star Trek film.

Nope.

Galaxy Quest.

It's a moderately funny little film that barely made a blip on the radar. Nothing more.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Master & Commander is the best Star Trek film that isn't a Star Trek film.

Nope.

Galaxy Quest.

It's a moderately funny little film that barely made a blip on the radar. Nothing more.

Barely made a blip on the radar? That's untrue about a film that won both a Hugo and a Nebula award.

 

[Gravitas]

Nope.

Galaxy Quest.

It's a moderately funny little film that barely made a blip on the radar. Nothing more.

Barely made a blip on the radar? That's untrue about a film that won both a Hugo and a Nebula award.

Well Hugo dramatic presentation awards are spotty at BEST. It made a modestly tidy sum, doubling it's budget ($90 million worldwide compared to a $45 million budget) but almost no one remembers it exists.

 

[Cyke101]

It's a moderately funny little film that barely made a blip on the radar. Nothing more.

Barely made a blip on the radar? That's untrue about a film that won both a Hugo and a Nebula award.

Well Hugo dramatic presentation awards are spotty at BEST. It made a modestly tidy sum, doubling it's budget ($90 million worldwide compared to a $45 million budget) but almost no one remembers it exists.

Nobody remembers it, and that's why development has started on a TV show.

Whether or not it gets off the ground is one thing, but creating a TV show is major work, usually done after lots of vetting to see if the audience is there to justify the work and cost in the first place. By that definition alone, clearly people remember it.

Statements like "almost no one remembers it exists" to cult movies are rarely factual. For one thing, you, I, and other posters in this thread clearly know what Galaxy Quest is to comment on it.

 

[Tyr]

...but almost no one remembers it exists.

Sure?

http://deadline.com/2015/08/galaxy-quest-series-amazon-development-1201508141/

 

[fireproof78]

Barely made a blip on the radar? That's untrue about a film that won both a Hugo and a Nebula award.

Well Hugo dramatic presentation awards are spotty at BEST. It made a modestly tidy sum, doubling it's budget ($90 million worldwide compared to a $45 million budget) but almost no one remembers it exists.

Nobody remembers it, and that's why development has started on a TV show.

Whether or not it gets off the ground is one thing, but creating a TV show is major work, usually done after lots of vetting to see if the audience is there to justify the work and cost in the first place. By that definition alone, clearly people remember it.

Statements like "almost no one remembers it exists" to cult movies are rarely factual. For one thing, you, I, and other posters in this thread clearly know what Galaxy Quest is to comment on it.

Not to dog pile, but yea, most people I know of (scifi fans and non) know of Galaxy Quest. My mom likes it, and she is far, far, from a SF fan.

Also it often gets treated like a ST film. There was a discussion (I apologize that I forget where) in which Galaxy Quest was asked to be included in the vote when voting on favorite Star Trek films. It was voted something like 7th, out of all the Trek films as a fan favorite at a convention. Take that with a grain of salt, as the article read continued to celebrate TWOK as the "pinnacle of Star Trek cinematic achievement" so your mileage may, and probably will, vary,

Galaxy Quest started small, but it is known, and continues to be a favorite.

 

[The one that is]

I also watched Star Trek as a kid on channel 13. I think we may have judged this movie too soon as Mr Lin makes sense. I really like what he is saying, and hopefully it pans out in the movie.

 

[Mudd]

More people remember Galaxy Quest - and fondly - than do half the other Trek movies.

Does anyone remember Master and Commander other than some pining Trek fans?

 

[Ovation]

I remember enjoying Master and Commander, not really noticing any Star Trek "feel" to it (it was a pretty good adaptation of its source materials, on the other hand) and thinking "too bad not enough people will appreciate this to warrant any sequels".

Galaxy Quest, on the other hand, I've watched many more times (was the first DVD I ever bought) and it certainly had a "Star Trek" vibe.

 

[Amaris]

I remember enjoying Master and Commander, not really noticing any Star Trek "feel" to it (it was a pretty good adaptation of its source materials, on the other hand) and thinking "too bad not enough people will appreciate this to warrant any sequels".

Galaxy Quest, on the other hand, I've watched many more times (was the first DVD I ever bought) and it certainly had a "Star Trek" vibe.

This. I enjoyed Master and Commander, but one viewing was enough for me. Galaxy Quest, on the other hand, I could watch on a loop over and over again and never get tired of it. It replaced Spaceballs as my favorite space-type comedy, which was no easy feat.