Justin Lin is directing Star Trek XIII
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So Fast and Furious is in your eyes not a braindead action movie? Seriously?
What I think of the Fast and Furious movies doesn't matter. Paramount got a director that is good with ensemble casts and technically heavy shoots.
Since Star Trek: The Original Series is sci-fi action adventure, I think Lin's style may end up fitting Trek very well. But no one will know anything until July 8, 2016. I know I'll be there opening night.
I've never seem one, so I have no idea.So Fast and Furious is in your eyes not a braindead action movie? Seriously?
But Lin also directed Community. Does that mean Star Trek will be quirky half hour sitcom? Or maybe its going to be a crime drama, since Lin directed two episodes of True Detective!
I've never seem one, so I have no idea.So Fast and Furious is in your eyes not a braindead action movie? Seriously?
But Lin also directed Community. Does that mean Star Trek will be quirky half hour sitcom? Or maybe its going to be a crime drama, since Lin directed two episodes of True Detective!
I like Fast 5, and thought it had some very interesting character moments, that rely more on the emotional connection to the characters that most give it credit for.
Regardless, a read of Lin's IMDB page indicate that he is note a one trick pony, and should not be judged purely on one franchise.
So Fast and Furious is in your eyes not a braindead action movie? Seriously?
They're brainless, certainly, but at least they aren't relentlessly stupid like most of Trek has been since the late 90s. I didn't care for the F&F films, but I really got a kick out of FAST FIVE. Once you removed the whole cop drama angle from the series, it was a lot more fun, especially when they became heist spectacles. Lin has also proved to work well with ensembles, which gives me hope the cast will be better balanced this time.
I know, it takes a bit to sink in.
More "braindead" than the post-TMP Star Trek movies?
Not a bit.
The Trek movies have all been attempted-action movies with an emphasis on the characters and themes of friendship, etc. that are very similar to the F&F movies; certainly no more sophisticated. This is one reason that Lin might be a good fit.
I'll allow that F&F treats stuff like basic physics with almost as much disregard as Star Trek does. Maybe if Vin Diesel occasionally mumbled some technobabble like "inertial dampeners" it would elevate the franchise in the eyes of trekkies.
And I know there are fans who consider that there's something terribly thoughtful going on in ST 4's "save the whales" schtick or ST 6's simplistic aping of then-current political events, to which a more than adequate response is: meh.
Loving the movies is one thing and entirely a matter of personal taste; insisting that they're remarkably smart is another. The TV shows have, arguably, been more thoughtful from time to time. Certainly the format permits it.
Who is that American Graffiti fucker to think he can write and direct a science fiction movie, anyway? Lucas will just turn the whole genre into young California types racing spaceships around the galaxy.
If the Internet had existed in its current form back in 1976...
Who is that American Graffiti fucker to think he can write and direct a science fiction movie, anyway? Lucas will just turn the whole genre into young California types racing spaceships around the galaxy.
If the Internet had existed in its current form back in 1976...
Oh, yeah.
I mean, the studio didn't even take Lucas seriously. They allowed Star Wars to continue because it was a fun kid's movie that would probably make a little bit of money. They actually were counting on Damnation Alley to be the big hit that year. When it got delayed due to effects work, SW got its chance.
But, it wasn't taken completely seriously by everyone, especially a lot of the British crews.
Eh, I think that's selling Trek short, though I get what you're trying to do there. While the Trek films have never gone as heavy as TMP, all of them have clearly tried to tackle allegories and themes beyond just "hey, we're friends huh". Of course, whether they actually succeeded in getting into those is a different debate. Either way, they're aiming higher than what F&F does, but that's not to say one is better than the other. Both series have a different focus.
While F&F isn't tackling heavy themes and allegories, that doesn't mean it's not smartly made. I think that's what needs to be emphasized. For what they are, they're as good as you can expect from action/adventure films.
All this talk about F&F vs Trek is now reminding me of that silly argument Orci got into where he suggested that STID is better than RAIDERS simply because "it has more social commentary".
Cool, might as well say INSURRECTION is better than FAST FIVE because it tries to deal with the theme of youth and militarization of ZZzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzz...I never called any Trek movie "remarkably smart". Not that I appreciate "smart" movies, I like movies with good themes. Or to say it with Kurosawa: "A truly good movie is interesting and easy to understand. There’s nothing complicated about it."
But the last three movie, not coincidentally all bad TWOK copies, are braindead in the sense of repeating some patterns from TWOK but not caring one iota about its themes (And to repeat what I said above, the themes of TWOK, life and death, how to deal with past mistakes, revenge and so on is not "smart" stuff but humane stuff which we can all connect to.). And as it all started with NEM this is not totally due to the folks who are currently at the helm but also due to structural problems of the franchise.
Now if you just wanna go for a fun ride, a well-made sci-fi action flick with good acting, this doesn't matter. But if you want a tiny bit more from a Trek movie this does matter.
The best Trek movies are about something while being thrilling enough for a big screen experience at the same time. The worst Trek movies are extremes, either dumb action flicks like the last ones or boring idea-driven films like TMP.
I've never seem one, so I have no idea.So Fast and Furious is in your eyes not a braindead action movie? Seriously?
But Lin also directed Community. Does that mean Star Trek will be quirky half hour sitcom? Or maybe its going to be a crime drama, since Lin directed two episodes of True Detective!
I like Fast 5, and thought it had some very interesting character moments, that rely more on the emotional connection to the characters that most give it credit for.
Regardless, a read of Lin's IMDB page indicate that he is note a one trick pony, and should not be judged purely on one franchise.
Right. As someone else pointed out, nobody expected TMP to be a musical in space, even though Robert Wise did West Side Story and the Sound of Music.
I think someone's selling directors short here. If anything, a director has to sell their fit and vision to the studio, and oftentimes variety can be a good thing for a movie. Anyone who can alternate their resume between action movie and documentary probably knows a thing or three about proper pacing.
Who is that American Graffiti fucker to think he can write and direct a science fiction movie, anyway? Lucas will just turn the whole genre into young California types racing spaceships around the galaxy.
If the Internet had existed in its current form back in 1976...
Oh, yeah.
I mean, the studio didn't even take Lucas seriously. They allowed Star Wars to continue because it was a fun kid's movie that would probably make a little bit of money. They actually were counting on Damnation Alley to be the big hit that year. When it got delayed due to effects work, SW got its chance.
But, it wasn't taken completely seriously by everyone, especially a lot of the British crews.
Was the script he gave them any good? They might had been reasonable, there was lot of tweaking of the original ideas.
It's hard to go back thirty some years, I know, but the thing about Star Wars is that it didn't resemble any other movies that 20th (or most anyone) was making at the time it was green-lighted. No one knew what the potential audience for it was; no one understood what the visual impact of the finished film would be; no one had any clear idea how to market it.
Well, it certainly did have musical sequences, albeit without actual singing.
also, while it was being made, weren't several of the actors, as well as Lucas afraid it was going to be a major bomb and a fiasco?
I'd like someone to tell me what's so brainy and smart about Citizen Kane or the Godfather. Good movies, for sure, but smart ? How ?