Someone should ask Orci if Patrick Stewart, Kate Mulgrew or Avery Brooks are being considered for the draft. When he answers "Justin has yet to weigh in on that question, so I don't know," you know he's just messing with us.
Justin Lin is directing Star Trek XIII
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yes also DOFP pretty much making double what XM films usually make wont have gone unnoticed by Paramount.
maybe (and this is of course pure speculation) its why Orci left? Paramount wants Star Trek DOFP for the 50th and Orci said no because he dosnt want to do time travel again so soon after ST09?
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Geez, how did I know you'd write a big wall of text quote dissection? It's pretty unreadable and as usual misses a lot of the point.
It doesn't make sense if something is a sequel to a TV show or a movie, if they reuse production elements, that doesn't make it pandering. And First Contact is absolutely relevant in that because you weren't talking about just Generations, you talked about the TNG movies as a whole.
And no, I didn't mix up "All Good Things" with anything at all. Picard jumps back in time to their first mission, and Farpoint is very much mentioned.
Sorry, but reusing sets and having a few continuity mentions != pandering.
Actually, that's the one I'd really like to see made for the 50th. Still very much a JJ-cast film, front and centre. Since obviously, it's their existence being put in danger by the franchise spanning threat. Those bases are covered by having the thing discovered a century before Kirk, and becoming all-consuming a century ahead in the future. Something which could be anything from a reference in one direction, to a full-on crossover in the other. But even at that, no more different than the U.S.S. Kelvin having a dozen or more characters appear, as its bridge crew, and then gone. Dealt with 10 minutes later, leaving another 2 hours in which it's all about the regulars. And the way to ensure that universal armageddon thing doesn't happen rests on the Abramsverse gang going on a quest across the galaxy, to regain something it currently lacks.
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Agreed.
Star Trek 2009 was about a villain from the Prime universe creating the Abrams timeline.
Into Darkness reused numerous elements from The Wrath of Khan.
Can we please get something original for the third movie? Something completely new. The best gift that I as a Star Trek fan could receive for the 50th anniversary is a good movie that doesn't weigh itself down with useless pandering.
The best gift I would want is to see the heroes of a 50 year old franchise face a threat that is something completely innovative and unique to that franchise. It won't be easy, but imagine what it would say, that our heroes really can stand the test of time by overcoming newer and newer challenges.
I recall this one canceled TOS game for the PC, in which everything from the 2260s was recreated for the game -- but the trailer had the classic Enterprise facing down a squadron of alien fighters that could only be designed in modern-day grim n' gritty sci-fi. Seeing the two vastly different styles juxtaposed together was a real treat.
For something that's unreadable, you sure seem to have read and understood it. So why the jab ?
I took the first movie as an example. Once it's out of the barn, whatever happens in other movies later can't change it.
Yes but requires the audience to have watched the show, either way, doesn't it ?
My point, which you have, ironically, missed, is that not constructing new sets makes the movie look cheezy, something olny the TV audience would accept. That wasn't the pandering part.
Except that it isn't true:
1 X-Men: The Last Stand $234,362,462
2 X-Men: Days of Future Past $233,921,534
3 X2: X-Men United $214,949,694
4 X-Men Origins: Wolverine $179,883,157
5 X-Men $157,299,717
6 X-Men: First Class $146,408,305
7 The Wolverine $132,556,852
I can't believe X3 made that much money. What a terrible film.
Just looking at the figures now on Box office mojo. I can see that being a major temptation for Paramount to shove Shatner and Nimoy in the movie.
One likes to think that quality and box-office go hand-in-hand, but that's not always the case.
And the fact that we tend to use the same terms--"bomb," "turkey," etc.--to describe both critical and commercial disappointments just contributes to the confusion. They're not always the same thing.
(It's funny. With the new DAREDEVIL tv show coming up, I keep seeing the Ben Affleck movie referred to as a "flop"--despite the fact that it actually made money.)
The more logical assumption would be Patrick Stewart...he was literally in that movie.
I agree. I want something a bit more out in the middle of nowhere, away from Starfleet Command and Earth, with Kirk having to make some tough decisions. For me, I would watch a whole movie based on the first 9 minutes of "Into Darkness."
Although, I thought that the 50th Anniversary of "Doctor Who" handled previous threads from the series in an interesting way and the cameo of Tom Baker totally didn't pull me out of the episode in the way Nimoy's did in "Into Darkness."
I didn't mind Nimoy's appearance in the last movie, it didn't come as completely gratuitous, and I enjoyed hearing what he had to say on the viewscreen. Was it fanwank? Absolutely, but it was over quickly, and did contribute to the plot - in so much that he clearly told him what Khan's weakness was off screen.
It was a much more minor role than he had in 09, so ultimately didn't bother me in the slightest.
I dont think X3 is a terrible film, I just think people think it is a popular opinion and the right thing to say, its like how everyone says the star wars prequels are bad when to me I feel the prequels had more depth than the original trilogy.
I thought X3 was pretty bad, and I still do think the prequels are lazily written and directed (and, in some ways, acted since they're reacting to green screen). We expected there to be a huge character arc for Anakin Skywalker...yet, the main reason he became a member of the Sith is because they - the Jedi - didn't let him be a Jedi Master.
In regards to nuKirk and crew, I'm still looking for that challenging story that take them out of their element and builds on the character or allows the character to grow.
I like the idea about having the crew away from Earth, dealing with a problem that maybe has them assisting another race or 'new life form or new civilization' trying to do 'something' that allows them to grow as people.