Justin Lin is directing Star Trek XIII
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But that was thirty-years ago. Audiences have changed, Hollywood has changed.
Reusing sets isn't pandering, otherwise STID panders because it reused sets/props/uniforms. Besides, they redressed sets, and still built a lot of new ones. They also built new props and actually half of them had the jumpsuits. And of course, First Contact brought in all new everything, so clearly it couldn't be pandering.
The movies weren't nearly as technobabble heavy as the show, and really not much more than the TOS movies, so that's not really relevant either.
And Farpoint isn't that obscure since it was in a very much watched finale that was only months prior. Plus, it's not as if it's really that relevant of a plot line. That's like saying people need to know who Nurse Chapel is because she's mentioned, or that people need a full understanding of Section 31. These things can be followed fairly easily.
The TNG movies have plenty of flaws, but pandering only to the core base isn't really one of them.
That makes no sense. Generations leaped from the small screen to the big screen. STID was the movie sequel to another movie.
Which made no sense.
Again, that makes no sense. What First Contact did has no bearing on Generations. And in all those movies the uniforms still looked like TMP pyjamas.
Irrelevant to what I said.
See, it's even obscure to you, since you mixed up "All Good Things..." with the TNG pilot.
Again, irrelevant. It's a part of a discussion that only a fan of the series since day one would get.
It really is.
I'm guessing he meant how the past of "All Good Things..." was set during "Encounter at Farpoint," though I don't think they ever did more than mention it.
Keep Nimoy out of it.
Shatner should pull a Stan Lee.
Shatner should pull a Stan Lee.
This is too common a viewpoint held by studio heads who have no confidence in their audiences and think they're too dumb or impatient to enjoy something that isn't an amusement park thrill ride. Audiences haven't changed, it's Hollywood and the people behind it. What used to be run by people who actually understood films is now run by bean counters who think they know how to make films better than the actual filmmakers. It's this kind of attitude that drove filmmakers like Steven Soderbergh away from film. The Sony leaks only confirmed the kind of junk that filmmakers over the years said they had to deal with.
If you put a film out in the same vein and quality as TVH, I think audiences would be surprised but enjoy the lighter touch (assuming the film is actually good). What made that film refreshing in 1986 at the time was that it was coming off three films that were very epic and dramatic and this was the right change of pace. Piller had the right idea with INSURRECTION, though that was botched by a lot of different factors. I'd love to see Paramount actually take a chance at that again.
Did I miss something? Why keep Nimoy out?
I don't want to see any character from previous iterations of Trek make an appearance. The filmmakers would do better to celebrate the 50th anniversary by just focusing on the nuTrek crew.
I can see the POV, but not for me, I say bring Shatner and Nimoy back.
Shit, bring back Nichols, Takei, Koenig and Whitney while you're at it! Make it a party and a reunion. These guys are still around 50 years later, and so is Star Trek. If anything in pop culture deserves a little self-indulgence, it's Star Trek.
I'm sure the writers can come up with a good script for it.
Shit, bring back Nichols, Takei, Koenig and Whitney while you're at it! Make it a party and a reunion. These guys are still around 50 years later, and so is Star Trek. If anything in pop culture deserves a little self-indulgence, it's Star Trek.
I'm sure the writers can come up with a good script for it.
It would be tough to do such a large ensemble and write a coherent story around it.
Focusing on the nu-crew makes more sense from a story perspective. There have been enough complaints about Nimoy making appearances in both new films. Perhaps if they did a "The Deadly Years" where the crew ages artificially fast, for reasons, and they have to figure out a solution.
Beyond that, I'm uncertain of a good way to have the old crew make it back in there.
Focusing on the nu-crew makes more sense from a story perspective. There have been enough complaints about Nimoy making appearances in both new films. Perhaps if they did a "The Deadly Years" where the crew ages artificially fast, for reasons, and they have to figure out a solution.
Beyond that, I'm uncertain of a good way to have the old crew make it back in there.
The last time someone said that we ended up with Generations!
I thought the Reeves-Stevens did an EXCELLENT job of it in their novel, Federation.
Complaints of Nimoy being in both movies. What ingrates!
We're lucky to have Nimoy/Spock nearly 50 years after the show premiered.
Yeah, it was an indulgent and technically pointless cameo in STID. And it's absolutely heartless and ungrateful, IMO, to simply not just accept it as a harmless cameo.
I for one was grateful to see Nimoy again. It was quite a joy to see him.
Or to paraphrase Sulu, "I'm delighted any chance to see Nimoy as Spock again."
I agree it SHOULD focus on nuTrek, but I also think it's possible to include an ensemble cameo if it's written well.
If it's going to happen, Justin Lin is the man to do it with his obvious experience handling ensembles.
And there will never be a better time than NOW---50th anniversary, these guys are still alive and kicking.
YES, *NOW* IS THE TIME.
NOW...or never.
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***DUN DUN DUN***
Sorry, the last line of your post seemed like it needed an extra bit of kick.
*ahem*
*gets coat*
Sorry, the last line of your post seemed like it needed an extra bit of kick.
*ahem*
*gets coat*
I'm not saying now isn't the time, or that Paramount will not try to capitalize on the opportunity. I just think that it would be difficult to balance such an large cast without taking away from someone.
As for Spock's appearance in ID, it was fine, by me, but I understand the complaints because it was rather deliberate fan service that amounts to Spock telling Spock that Khan is bad news. I have no problem with Nimoy being in the film, but maybe it could have been done differently and feel more in line with the story.
Also, the 50th presents the opportunity to do a lot of different things with the original cast, so the idea of just doing a feature film seems limiting to me.
I think Lin can do it, but it could end up like Generations, where Nimoy and Kelley opted to not appear in the Ent-B because it was essentially a glorified cameo. There really needs to be something for everyone to do.
It just occurred to me that every Star Trek film since TUC had special crossover appearances. Colonel Worf, Kirk, Scotty, and Chekov, Doc EMH, USS Defiant, Janeway, and Spock Prime twice. Heck, INSURRECTION was originally gonna have an appearance by Quark!
HAHAHA!!!!
I imagined the "DUN DUN DUN" when we see the side of that guy's face in Conscience of the King.
I agree it would be a challenge for the writers to come up with something, but I think it can be done.
The context is different now than in Generations. In Generations, the TOS crew had JUST said goodbye a couple of years prior. This is 25 year later, and one last class reunion seems appropriate, more so now than in 1994.
I think ST3 will turn out to be something of a mega budget version of Generations i.e. some McGuffin (not necessarily time travel but might well be in some different way - maybe even the Guardian?) to crossover Shatner/Nimoy and maybe more TOS cast (not necessarily as they are now thanks to CG) and even Stewart and some TNG cast, with the JJcast who are dealing with some threat that spanned all Trek (borg?)
they must be going to do something like that (despite the past 2 homage heavy movies) as its the 50th, I just cant see it being purely a JJcast movie dealing with some new adversity. these nu films are something of a Trek greatest hits . cant see them throwing that out for some new direction for the 50th. also that BTTF2 type of movie is very much in vogue at the moment with XMDOFP, new Terminator, Dr Who 50th, (as is the grand team up thing with Marvel/DC/Lins Fast Furious films) and although ST09 sort of dabbled in all that it didn't really do it in the Yesterdays Enterprise/Trials Tribulations crossover type way, in fact none of the films have done that really (also ST09 will be 7 years old by the time of ST3 so maybe they could get away with a similar timetravel type thing) plus I guess it could be argued the Prime timeline seeping into the alternate timeline has been simmering for 2 films as if building toward something big...maybe something to tie it up as a trilogy TDK style to make way for a new tv show
they must be going to do something like that (despite the past 2 homage heavy movies) as its the 50th, I just cant see it being purely a JJcast movie dealing with some new adversity. these nu films are something of a Trek greatest hits . cant see them throwing that out for some new direction for the 50th. also that BTTF2 type of movie is very much in vogue at the moment with XMDOFP, new Terminator, Dr Who 50th, (as is the grand team up thing with Marvel/DC/Lins Fast Furious films) and although ST09 sort of dabbled in all that it didn't really do it in the Yesterdays Enterprise/Trials Tribulations crossover type way, in fact none of the films have done that really (also ST09 will be 7 years old by the time of ST3 so maybe they could get away with a similar timetravel type thing) plus I guess it could be argued the Prime timeline seeping into the alternate timeline has been simmering for 2 films as if building toward something big...maybe something to tie it up as a trilogy TDK style to make way for a new tv show
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Hm, but not as Kirk and Co.
Maybe have them play some Admirals or something, different characters...