Justin Lin is directing Star Trek XIII

[Dac]

^^^Going by that argument though, Spock had only just previously been mind melding with his former superior officer, arguably the man who gave him a chance on a ship and elevated him from an academy lecturer - as he died, and displayed absolutely zero emotional reaction. Contrast that with butting heads with Kirk after Kirk saved his life, after going on the mission to catch Harrison and agreeing to work with Harrison and I just can't see any basis for a friendship there that I can believe in. Or at least one which would cause that level of a psychotic break. I think there is a middle ground at the end of that scene I could have lived with, but Spock screaming "KHAAAAN!" the way he did was absolutely comical. Even when his mother died and home planet got destroyed, he had to be goaded into being angry. The cause and effect of his anger over Kirk's death just doesn't add up to me. :/

Remember, that Pike's meld was the very first time Spock had ever melded with someone at the moment of their death. It's the equivalent of emotional overload. He even spoke of the confusion involved.

When Kirk was dying, all of these impressions he received from Pike's death dropped on him like a ton of bricks, and even without melding with Kirk, he felt everything his friend was experiencing. It was the empathy Kirk had been trying to show him from day one, that finally reached him, and it overloaded his emotional barriers.

As for his mother, that's just shock, and the need to be A Good And Proper Vulcan™. We also saw him suffering for it later, but he also had Uhura to help him through it.

Fair enough.

They still could've done a better take of "KhaaAAAaaaan!" though :P

 

[MakeshiftPython]

Yeah, so what?

There is little to no chance that Trek will be back on TV in the near future. If it ever does come back, it will not be what the "fans" want.

The "true fans" are living in a dream world.

I don't expect it to come anytime soon, but it will return.

Star Trek? Perhaps. The same kind of Star Trek that people had before the J.J. Abrams movies? Unlikely.

Well, I'm not expecting that. I'm sure it'll be different from what TNG was, like how TNG was different from TOS. It's only natural. I can only hope it's well written, and not another VOY/ENT.

 

[fireproof78]

^^^Going by that argument though, Spock had only just previously been mind melding with his former superior officer, arguably the man who gave him a chance on a ship and elevated him from an academy lecturer - as he died, and displayed absolutely zero emotional reaction. Contrast that with butting heads with Kirk after Kirk saved his life, after going on the mission to catch Harrison and agreeing to work with Harrison and I just can't see any basis for a friendship there that I can believe in. Or at least one which would cause that level of a psychotic break. I think there is a middle ground at the end of that scene I could have lived with, but Spock screaming "KHAAAAN!" the way he did was absolutely comical. Even when his mother died and home planet got destroyed, he had to be goaded into being angry. The cause and effect of his anger over Kirk's death just doesn't add up to me. :/

Remember, that Pike's meld was the very first time Spock had ever melded with someone at the moment of their death. It's the equivalent of emotional overload. He even spoke of the confusion involved.

When Kirk was dying, all of these impressions he received from Pike's death dropped on him like a ton of bricks, and even without melding with Kirk, he felt everything his friend was experiencing. It was the empathy Kirk had been trying to show him from day one, that finally reached him, and it overloaded his emotional barriers.

As for his mother, that's just shock, and the need to be A Good And Proper Vulcan™. We also saw him suffering for it later, but he also had Uhura to help him through it.

Fair enough.

They still could've done a better take of "KhaaAAAaaaan!" though :P

Sure, but the argument could be made that the original "KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!" was actually unnecessary, since Admiral Kirk already had a plan to escape.

I personally enjoyed the ID death scene, and loved how Pine and Quinto portrayed it. Despite accusations to the contrary, the scene is working from the Kirk and Spock's character arcs and fits the theme of the film (self-sacrifice) rather well.

YMMV

 

[Mudd]

Para Mobius is a metric fuck ton of stupid.

 

[Jedi_Master]

I like to think that CBS is taking a break from Trek because they know that the longer they wait, the bigger the hype for the first Trek series in decades. The long gap after TOS helped TNG a great deal.

Chuckle. It also helped that in the interim there had been two successful motion pictures featuring the TOS characters that helped prove that there was still a market for Star Trek. One motion picture introduced us to a newly redesigned U.S.S. Enterprise, and the next focused on a superhuman villain named Khan.

Sound familiar?

 

[Mudd]

On the subject of Shatner and Nimoy appearing in Star Trek 3, Bob Orci was asked this question at Trekmovie.com:

Are Shatner and Nimoy being considered for your second draft?

His answer:

Justin [Lin] has yet to weigh in on that question,so I don’t know.

 

[Dac]

I really hope not. Do something new.

 

[Mudd]

You know, I'm cool with anything Justin Lin wants to do with this. I like him.

 

[johnjm22]

Hyperbole is better when it is employed in order to make a point. Here, it's employed more as a straw man:

The point was that his argument was silly. "every example of why nuTrek "sucks" that's ever been cited fails the selective recall conformation bias test. Every single one."

"You must think" = "Here, watch me putting words in your mouth"

It's not meant to be taken literally. I know he probably doesn't think these movies are perfect, but the way he and others disreguard any criticism of them, you have to wonder sometimes.

Could you have written something different there and made a point more effectively (not to mention more elegantly)?

I think you're over analyzing. He gave me a silly argument, so I gave him a silly "argument" back. What you're saying here in this last quote could be applied to a ton of posts on this forum.

I will try and play nicer.

 

[Wildman]

I really hope not. Do something new.

I hope so, with the new timeline, about anything is new.

 

[Wildman]

I like to think that CBS is taking a break from Trek because they know that the longer they wait, the bigger the hype for the first Trek series in decades. The long gap after TOS helped TNG a great deal.

You can like to think anything you want, but as long as Les Moonves, the HMFWRIC at CBS, doesn't like the idea of Trek on TV... too bad for you.

Seriously, people. There's a big reality gap here.

HUGE danger in waiting too long, people lose patience and won't wait forever. New and rebooted franchises can take over and be more exciting leaving Trek in space dust.

 

[Wildman]

If Star Trek ever returns to hour-long episodic form, it'll be as streaming. "TV's," as it's currently defined, days are numbered.

Not like you think. There are huge amounts of cities and towns around that do not have that large of bandwidth and speed for such streaming. Streaming at this point and time is futile if you want to try to reach everyone.

 

[Masiral]

If Star Trek ever returns to hour-long episodic form, it'll be as streaming. "TV's," as it's currently defined, days are numbered.

Not like you think. There are huge amounts of cities and towns around that do not have that large of bandwidth and speed for such streaming. Streaming at this point and time is futile if you want to try to reach everyone.

Yeah, it is way too soon to be declaring the end of TV.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Not really. WISPs are taking over fast. Everywhere. It's likely they'll be globally ubiquitous within the next quarter century. But it'll be a lot sooner for most of the first world--like within the next decade.

 

[Amaris]

Yep. Either Google, or ISPs desperate to stay a step ahead of Google will make it happen.

 

[Belz...]

what a wonderful retort (NOT)

Well, it kinda is. If Paramount destroyed Trek it did so in 1969, 1979, 1989, 1994, 2002, 2009, 2013 and now 2014.

what wasn't legitimate about what I said before?

Into Darkness was just plain awful all round imo, redoing Wrath of Kahn? awful idea, reversing Spock & Kirk's roles? awful idea, the whole point was that it's Spock's character that made him do that ffs. the Kahn blood? that's the kind of nonsense I expect from a film for toddlers not Trek. Spock & Uhura? urghhhhh seriously? no no no. it was nothing like Trek is.

I don't think "It's my opinion" is particularily convincing.

once again. Trek has finished second to star wars.

Doesn't everything ?

For me box office is irrelevant.

Not for me. If movies don't make money, they won't get sequels and the business won't thrive. Trek included. I'd rather Trek making money but losing my interest than it dying.

Lin's a great choice; of the five directors being discussed last week he was the one I was pulling for. I like the Fast & Furious movies.

Me too. 2 and 3 weren't great but all of them were at least enjoyable, and the last 3 were surprisingly good.

Regarding Lin being abit too 'rad' 'cool' for Trek (which most of the complaints are about the nufilms) well hard to believe now but TOS was trying to be somewhat rad back in the 60s.

Ironic, isn't it ?

That's why every new tidbit of information brings out the calls of doom from these same people, because anything other than "we're abandoning this JJTrek!" is going to be met with that fear of something different.

Personally, I love different. I can still watch my DVDs, so there's no reason for Paramount and CBC to move on.

 

[Belz...]

You don't think Paramount wanted Trek to do better in the under 25 demographic?

I'm confused. Is your argument that it should be more popular with the young people, or that it shouldn't be comprised of dumbed-down action movies ? The two seem mutually-exclusive.

Abrams managed it to some extent, probably because he's much more widely known, but with ITD, he failed to build the audience from Trek 2009. Actually, he killed the audience.

On what do you base this declaration ? A drop in sales doesn't mean the audience has abandoned the franchise.

As someone said on here the other day, there's very little if any hope of a Star Trek film ever grossing $500m in today's money.

And that's simply because other franchises are better products: they sell better.

ST has often been perceived by a significant portion of the public as dorky, or boring. Paramount understands that in order to make the franchise appeal to a broader audience, they need to shake this image. That's why the TNG movies were pushed in a more action-oriented direction

They failed miserably. The TNG movies all feel like core-base-pandering flicks to me. All four of them.

What bothers a lot of fans about nuTrek, though they may not admit it to themselves, is that it exists because Star Trek failed.

Ouch. I hadn't thought of it in quite those terms, but it's damn true.

That's pretty negative to look at Star Trek as a failure. By that logic every show is a failure because they all end at some point.

Well, yes.

I mean, let's look at Idris Elba.

A few days ago I read someone might be considering him for Bond. I don't care about his skin. Elba is awesome. I'm up for that.

GR was not the Great Bird.

Am I the only one who finds that title creepy ?

 

[CorporalClegg]

I mean, let's look at Idris Elba.

I don't care about his skin.

What's wrong with his skin? I hope he doesn't have a nasty rash!

And I could look at Idris Elba all day.

 

[Mudd]

The TNG movies all feel like core-base-pandering flicks to me. All four of them.

There's an interesting point here, though. The TNG movies are aimed squarely at the TNG TV audience - all of it. With some format adjustments (more action, more focus on Picard and Data) they are very similar to the TV series. And...the TNG TV audience was a huge base to build on, somewhere north of 10 million weekly viewers a good deal of the time.

Pandering to 10 million viewers, most of whom couldn't really be described as hard-core trekkies, was a mistake not because the taste of the audience was too fixed or narrow or in-ish. The opposite was the problem: the existing viewership was too casual - if the thing wasn't on for free every week by pushing a button on the remote, they weren't inclined to make the effort year after year to follow it.

 

[thumbtack]

On the subject of Shatner and Nimoy appearing in Star Trek 3, Bob Orci was asked this question at Trekmovie.com:

Are Shatner and Nimoy being considered for your second draft?

His answer:

Justin [Lin] has yet to weigh in on that question,so I don’t know.

Let's keep an eye on this Orci person. He seems to be our only reliable rumor source.


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