Justin Lin is directing Star Trek XIII

[Makarov]

There will hardly be a discussion if everyone's positive on everything, and I don't think somebody's negative opinion can ruin a movie - everyone has their own.

At least in the US I don't feel any social stigma going to see a Star Trek movie. Not these days at least.

 

[xavier]

I feel like STID might've made more if it had been released sooner.

ST09 had lots of good will and boxoffice power...and then nothing happened for 4 very long years.

same here....paramount should have struck sooner...2 years maximum not 4 years, another alternative would have been to make a cartoon based off nutrek to fill in the gap for the 4 years, of emptiness.

 

[Notlad]

...but with ITD, he failed to build the audience from Trek 2009. Actually, he killed the audience.

Please explain. How exactly did he kill the audience?

My question also. While STID did less domestically by a modest amount it greatly expanded the international box office gross which usually very weak with ST films.

To say he killed the audience is just not factually correct.

 

[fireproof78]

My point is that Paramount made a business decision, hoping to get a larger audience based upon Lin's ability to produce a product on their terms, not just because he is associated with F&F.

Most people will have never heard of Justin Lin. I know I hadn't. He has no chance of removing the social stigma of going to see a Star Trek film, regardless of the film he puts out. Abrams managed it to some extent, probably because he's much more widely known, but with ITD, he failed to build the audience from Trek 2009. Actually, he killed the audience.

As someone said on here the other day, there's very little if any hope of a Star Trek film ever grossing $500m in today's money.

Well, that isn't my argument regarding Lin. There is no social stigma that I have seen in seeing a Trek film

I would not rely upon Lin, or Whedon, or any other director to bring in the type of money $500m. All I want, and what I think Lin can bring, is a movie that is profitable, and will allow future movies to be made.

As for Abrams killing the audience, he has already admitted to bad marketing. I would also argue that word of mouth reviews had a negative impact too (at least it did for me).

 

[Dac]

http://trekmovie.com/2014/12/22/fast-and-furious-6-director-justin-lin-to-direct-star-trek-3/

Check out comment 481, regarding if Orci is writing the script. He's not! YIPPEE! ITS A CHRISTMAS MIRACLE!

NOW can all you people who are shitting on anyone who are mentioning the repeated rumors as crackpots please stop? I heard Trek 3 was dead a month before it was reported. I heard Orci was gone then over the script. Turns out this is true right from the horses mouth.

It looks like Bad Robot are only involved in name only at this point. Maybe we'll get a turd or maybe we'll get something good, I'm just happy someone else is getting a chance now.

 

[johnjm22]

Well, that isn't my argument regarding Lin. There is no social stigma that I have seen in seeing a Trek film

I would not rely upon Lin, or Whedon, or any other director to bring in the type of money $500m. All I want, and what I think Lin can bring, is a movie that is profitable, and will allow future movies to be made.

As for Abrams killing the audience, he has already admitted to bad marketing. I would also argue that word of mouth reviews had a negative impact too (at least it did for me).

"Social Stigma" is probably too strong of a term. I think Admiral Bear is referring to ST's public image.

ST has often been perceived by a significant portion of the public as dorky, or boring. Paramount understands that in order to make the franchise appeal to a broader audience, they need to shake this image. That's why the TNG movies were pushed in a more action-oriented direction (despite it not befitting the cast at all).

I think Abram's has made Trek "cooler" to the general public, but despite his and Paramount efforts, STID's main audience was still adult aged white males.

 

[F. King Daniel]

http://trekmovie.com/2014/12/22/fast-and-furious-6-director-justin-lin-to-direct-star-trek-3/

Check out comment 481, regarding if Orci is writing the script. He's not! YIPPEE! ITS A CHRISTMAS MIRACLE!

NOW can all you people who are shitting on anyone who are mentioning the repeated rumors as crackpots please stop? I heard Trek 3 was dead a month before it was reported. I heard Orci was gone then over the script. Turns out this is true right from the horses mouth.

It's the same source that's made claims like: CBS having 2 new Prime-universe TV series in secret preproduction for a January announcement; that CBS are going to fund Axanar and release it in 2016 (and that the Axanar sets will be used in one of these new series', whose plot is based on Axanar); that Enterprise is going to be resurrected and finished with a Romulan War special, followed by similar TV movie specials for each of the five series'; that CBS are going to go out of their way to ignore and contradict the Abrams movies in their new series, citing extremely convoluted legalities which are rendered utterly meaningless in light of multiple CBS licenced Prime Trek tie-ins referencing the Abramsverse since '09... need I go on? While there was undoubtedly a grain of truth in there, the rest is the very definition of "crackpot"

 

[M'Sharak]

http://trekmovie.com/2014/12/22/fast-and-furious-6-director-justin-lin-to-direct-star-trek-3/

Check out comment 481, regarding if Orci is writing the script. He's not! YIPPEE! ITS A CHRISTMAS MIRACLE!

Are you sure it's comment 481? I see nothing there concerning writing, one way or the other.

NOW can all you people who are shitting on anyone who are mentioning the repeated rumors as crackpots please stop? I heard Trek 3 was dead a month before it was reported. I heard Orci was gone then over the script. Turns out this is true right from the horses mouth.

Again, I see nothing in that comment (and nothing reliable in any of the other comments) about who's writing or not writing the script.

However, in the body of the article can be found this:

Bob Orci will remain on the project as writer and producer. No word yet on whether any changes to the script have been or will be made, although that seems unlikely this late in the game if Paramount is hoping for a 50th Anniversary 2016 release date.

though that info seems to have come from some other source than the Deadline article cited for the announcement re: the selection of director.

I get that you really want it not to be written by Orci, but it seems premature to claim he's not involved. I don't see anything to either prove or disprove it at this point. Until we see something more concrete, we really just don't know.

One other thing: are you certain that's really him? I thought the "boborci" handle had been replaced by another.

 

[Cyke101]

There will hardly be a discussion if everyone's positive on everything, and I don't think somebody's negative opinion can ruin a movie - everyone has their own.

Constructive criticism and disagreement is one thing, that's fine. As I said earlier, I myself didn't like STID in the end and was critical of it in other threads. But if post-after-post-after-post-after-post is to trash something that hasn't even come out yet, who is that helping in the end, really? Is that criticism constructive then? Not really, because then that's going out of one's way to come up with new and old and often baseless accusations to tear down. Any point to the contrary is met with more gasping at straws or moving of goal posts. Questions get asked to which no answer will ever suffice, all to maintain negativity and a high horse.

There's a world of difference between critiquing a movie and just being a stubborn, eternal cynic. And it's bad for one's heart rate anyway. Criticism is supposed to improve the product (or at least imagine an improved product), but for some posters here, nuTrek can do no right and must adhere to THEIR vision, even though that vision is what lead to Trek's hiatus in the first place.

At least in the US I don't feel any social stigma going to see a Star Trek movie. Not these days at least.

Like this post, for example, is a response to the social stigma accusation that came out of nowhere to continue to try to discredit Abrams Trek, when the reviews and box office indicate otherwise. The original post making that claim was deflection, pure and simple. The idea that Trek's supposed social stigma caused failure (as if it was a bomb, when the movie still made hundreds of millions) is all for the sake of tearing it down, and not quite something that can be proven.

 

[Dac]

^^All my guy told me was Trek 3 production was shut down back in November, then he heard Orci was out, then that the script was dog turd and chucked. The last thing they said was that Paramount had sent some lawyers over to Bad Robot to check into the finances of Into Darkness. I don't 100% believe that, but everything else has turned out to be true. I've also heard about rumblings of a new series next year, but nothing as specific as Axanar (which is stupid to imagine) or Ent Series 5 going anywhere. More like "Its been a while and the 50th anniversary is coming up so marketing would be handy".

Plus, JJ Trek as a franchise beyond the films HAS been a failure. Paramount have been given a couple of great fish, but they haven't got a clue how to catch them. Out of the two games that came out, one was a shitty Arcade release of a top down shooter, and the big AAA title Trek game was the turdist turd to have ever been shat. Merchandising is practically non-existent, with figures from the first movie STILL clogging dollar store shelves, and the only releases with Into Darkness were the Kre-O building line (which also never sold) and 3 Hot Wheels ships. The Starships collection is doing JJverse ships, but only as once or twice a year "specials", which the collection editor straight up told me in person was down to the complicated licensing issues with JJ Trek that demands it be entirely separate from traditional CBS owned Trek. The only way they can make them is because they are "Special" issues, and therefore not a part of the traditional line of prime universe ships. That is an actual reality of the licensing situation with one product. Combine that with the multiple news reports of JJ being pissed at CBS' ownership of Prime Trek and continued merchandising that caused him to have a hissy fit and ditch the multimedia blitz of content that was supposedly planned, and you have a pretty clear picture of why JJTrek might be more trouble than it is worth, as CBS is still making millions every year on classic Trek merchandising. There is WAY more content out there with TOS and TNG branding on it. And after all, merchandising is where the money is made.

I couldn't tell you what it is, but all signs point to something being rotten with Bad Robot Trek. As it stands, their involvement is now limited to a couple of Producer credits. That has been whittled down from Writer/Director/Producer.

At the end of the day, more money is being made on the first week - but thats their only payday for years at a time. Whereas CBS are passively making a constant stream. I don't think this is going to lead to some kind of prime universe TV show or something fanwanky like that, just Paramount is going to do everything they can to save money and make more, and thanks to Bad Robot's franchise edicts Paramount are being screwed on everything else except the movies. That is a toxic business environment. Everything is telling me the new guard at Paramount realise Bad Robot have too much control, and everything that has happened in the past month or so looks like Paramount trying to regain some of that.

 

[Dac]

Are you sure it's comment 481? I see nothing there concerning writing, one way or the other.


One other thing: are you certain that's really him? I thought the "boborci" handle had been replaced by another.

481. boborci: "I'm producing, mothing more or less."

482. boborci: "Nothing"

Those pair of comments are pretty clearly saying he's Producing and thats it. And as far as I'm aware, this is Bob Orci, as a few sites have used these comments as sources in articles and he's made it pretty clear this handle is his since before the first movie came out.

 

[Devon]

^^All my guy told me was Trek 3 production was shut down back in November, then he heard Orci was out, then that the script was dog turd and chucked. The last thing they said was that Paramount had sent some lawyers over to Bad Robot to check into the finances of Into Darkness.

Your "guy" is Para.

Plus, JJ Trek as a franchise beyond the films HAS been a failure. Paramount have been given a couple of great fish, but they haven't got a clue how to catch them. Out of the two games that came out, one was a shitty Arcade release of a top down shooter, and the big AAA title Trek game was the turdist turd to have ever been shat. Merchandising is practically non-existent, with figures from the first movie STILL clogging dollar store shelves, and the only releases with Into Darkness were the Kre-O building line (which also never sold) and 3 Hot Wheels ships. The Starships collection is doing JJverse ships, but only as once or twice a year "specials", which the collection editor straight up told me in person was down to the complicated licensing issues with JJ Trek that demands it be entirely separate from traditional CBS owned Trek. The only way they can make them is because they are "Special" issues, and therefore not a part of the traditional line of prime universe ships. That is an actual reality of the licensing situation with one product. Combine that with the multiple news reports of JJ being pissed at CBS' ownership of Prime Trek and continued merchandising that caused him to have a hissy fit and ditch the multimedia blitz of content that was supposedly planned, and you have a pretty clear picture of why JJTrek might be more trouble than it is worth, as CBS is still making millions every year on classic Trek merchandising. There is WAY more content out there with TOS and TNG branding on it. And after all, merchandising is where the money is made.

I couldn't tell you what it is, but all signs point to something being rotten with Bad Robot Trek. As it stands, their involvement is now limited to a couple of Producer credits. That has been whittled down from Writer/Director/Producer.

At the end of the day, more money is being made on the first week - but thats their only payday for years at a time. Whereas CBS are passively making a constant stream. I don't think this is going to lead to some kind of prime universe TV show or something fanwanky like that, just Paramount is going to do everything they can to save money and make more, and thanks to Bad Robot's franchise edicts Paramount are being screwed on everything else except the movies. That is a toxic business environment. Everything is telling me the new guard at Paramount realise Bad Robot have too much control, and everything that has happened in the past month or so looks like Paramount trying to regain some of that.

Again, no. You're desperately wanting something to be wrong and it's not really happening. Sorry.

 

[M'Sharak]

Are you sure it's comment 481? I see nothing there concerning writing, one way or the other.


One other thing: are you certain that's really him? I thought the "boborci" handle had been replaced by another.

481. boborci: "I'm producing, mothing more or less."

482. boborci: "Nothing"

Those pair of comments are pretty clearly saying he's Producing and thats it.

You're excluding comment 480 (which is in response to comment 466, and also contains the "Nothing more or less" bit.) Put all three together, and I just don't think they add up to a clear message about who's writing or not writing the script. He's producing, but we knew that already - it's not news.

And as far as I'm aware, this is Bob Orci, as a few sites have used these comments as sources in articles and he's made it pretty clear this handle is his since before the first movie came out.

Perhaps it's only his Twitter handle which has changed, then, and not his TrekMovie one. I should probably make written notes to keep track of this stuff, but meh.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Talking of Twitter, with the aid of Google Translate I just saw...

"So it's true that you left over creative differences?" True.

 

[fireproof78]

Talking of Twitter, with the aid of Google Translate I just saw...

"So it's true that you left over creative differences?" True.

Unfortunate.

 

[Borgminister]

I just hope they have an alternative storyline in the pipeline.

 

[austen_pierce]

Now I just read this article..and I found this interesting...

"Star Trek 3" will unite old and new "Trek" when it premieres ahead of the 50th anniversary of the classic show.

And

"Star Trek" was rebooted in 2009 with a new cast playing Captain Kirk, Mr Spock and the rest of the classic characters. That was followed by "Star Trek into Darkness" in 2013, and in 2016 the saga will come full circle as the third installment forms the centrepiece of the 50th anniversary celebrations.

So does this mean that they are going back to the "prime" timeline?

http://www.cnet.com/news/star-trek-...n-the-shows-50th-anniversary/#ftag=YHF65cbda0

Assuming this is legit... I'm starting to get excited. My jaw dropped just reading this (whatever it means), and I'm looking forward to a no-holds-barred, pull-out-the-stops, give-the-people-what-they-want romp

EDIT: While I'm not a Justin Lin expert (haven't seen the F&F movies), I take his involvement as a huge plus, perhaps he's the man to make this movie really happen and give us the adrenaline rush I know I'm looking for out of a great movie!

 

[Dac]

Again, no. You're desperately wanting something to be wrong and it's not really happening. Sorry.

For the 5000th time, I actually really liked Trek 09. I disliked Into Darkness. I really don't like Orci, as a writer and as a person via social media. I'm glad he's gone - but there IS more too it beyond "it was a shit script" because lord almighty, how the hell did Amazing Spider-Man 2 get made if that was reason enough to ditch him?

Also, its Not Para Mobius. I heard it from Someone else days before Para Mobius posted, I only came forward on Reddit because he'd leaked it already and I didn't want to get my source in deep shit.

http://www.businessinsider.com/paramount-laying-off-110-employees-2013-10

Fact: Paramount laid off 110 employees last year due to a "competitive film market" which is essentially "our films didnt do as well as we had hoped". With Trek Into Darkness being their no.1 film of the year and only coming in at number 11 for the year Domestic and 14 in Worldwide releases for 2013, Paramount are near the bottom of the pecking order among the major studios (With Sony being the worst).


Fact: JJ Abrams/Bad Robot cut off their nose to spite their face with regards to merchandising: http://www.thewrap.com/movies/artic...ights-killed-jj-abrams-grand-ambitions-91766/

They wanted CBS to stop selling anything to do with classic Trek. CBS said no. Bad Robot said c'mon. CBS said NO. Bad Robot said "Fine I'm gonna just not do anything then" and CBS said "fine by me". This intrinsically cuts off a revenue stream from Paramount. And that article makes it pretty clear that Bad Robot made the call.

Fact: No one from Bad Robot is actively working on this project anymore. Prior to Orci leaving, the entire creative team behind the first two movies had left with the exception of Bob Orci, who's handling of the Spider-Man franchise at Sony has forced Sony to reconsider their entire plan for the Spider-Man franchise, leading to the demise of the standalone "Venom" movie and pushing ASM3 back to 2018 with rumors of a recast Spidey in Sinister Six to act as a soft reboot to distance themselves from ASM2. http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/10/08/report-claims-venom-carnage-movie-dead

He's literally the only guy standing there wanting to work on Trek, and he's still got the metaphorical blood on his hands from Spider-Man. He turned in a script that Paramount balked at, and let him go in that role. His departure has left no-one from Bad Robot in a creative capacity, and their ability to call shots is now severely reduced.

The 50th Anniversary is coming up, and thats a huge pie that everyone wants a slice of. Paramount have nailed Trek 3 squarely in the middle of 2016, which considering the movie only just got a director in the last weeks of 2014, and is now almost certainly without a script means Paramount intends to make a movie in one and a half years wherein it took Bad Robot 4 years to make Into Darkness and almost 3 years to make the 2009 movie. If Paramount really think they can make a movie in that time, then someone was really dragging their heels on the development of those two films. This is ME speculating here, but I can completely see why Paramount would say "Hold up, why have we paid you for 7 years to make 2 movies?" - especially now they've had a huge layoff of staff and are no doubt in a more conservative mindset.

Maybe everything about the lawyers over at Bad Robot is bullshit. I really do think the stuff about Axanar becoming a TV show is as is everything else about TV. I don't doubt we'll get a new series, probably for the 50th but what that would entail I don't have a clue. But everything else so far has panned out. Production was stopped. Orci was fired as Director, and now his script has been confirmed by the man himself as being chucked out and he's only on board as a producer (Hollywood speak for getting a paycheck and not doing much work). That's enough to make me think that maybe you should cut some slack toward these rumors, and not be so snobby about them. I'm fully willing to retract what I'm saying about Bad Robot, but so far everything is pointing toward it being true. If news breaks that JJ Abrams and Bob Orci are actively hands on with production, then great! I was wrong. But I sincerely doubt it. And like I said, something had to be going on for this movie that was in pre-production to be killed and restarted from the ground up. And in a world where everything is about money, something wasn't adding up.

 

[Mudd]

I assume Dac is joking because otherwise his posts make no sense.

The guy he refers to as behind all these absurd claims is either deluded or a liar - well, maybe not "either." Possibly the same person feeding Para Mobius bullshit


In any event, Bad Robot's making a new Trek movie
Yay!

 

[BillJ]

I just don't understand how people can be rooting for a project to fail? Which is what a lot of this is. Are people's lives so dire that the only way they can make themselves feel better is to engage in this type of behavior?

I was never a fan of much of the Berman years but I would never root for it to fail. They could make Captain Worf tomorrow and I wouldn't root for it to fail.

Some days I come on here and feel like Clark Griswold towards the end of National Lampoon's Vacation:

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