Justin Lin is directing Star Trek XIII

[Shazam!]

I've only seen the first one years ago, so I'm gonna do the same. At least we've got an experienced director with a proven track record signed up, I'm much more confident about the project than I was with it stumbling about with Orci at the helm.

I thought the first one was pretty terrible. I didn't see the second one but Toyko Drift was really good. I'm going to catch up on the rest.

 

[indranee]

I have no strong feelings other than I never was comfortable with Orci at the helm. And that when the director of the first two films leaves, the third film seems to take a nosedive (X-Men, Batman Forever, Superman III), but at the same time, often "third films" with the same director crap out too (Godfather III, Dark Knight Rises, anything by Michael Bay). So who the hell knows? I can only hope the script is better and less lazy than Into Darkness (even though I enjoyed the film on a purely visceral level) and that Lin gives us a good, fast, exciting movie with fine character moments.

Honestly, my only real issue with the last two Trek films was Kirk came off as a really immature frat boy on a kegger. Bring the humor and character to something smarter and less "ladies!!! Jim Kirk!!!," "Spock!!! That's deep SPACE!!!!!" and pranking the natives and I'll be just dandy. If they follow Kirk's maturity arc, I think I'll be satisfied.

That's a roundabout way of saying "I hope I like it. Let's see what happens."

Your complaints about Kirk in the JJ films is exactly something I really like about the films. The young Kirk was exactly the kind of person I thought he would be before maturing. A ladies man, daring, reckless, etc. Now if we were talking Captain Picard I would have expected him to have been the Captain of the Starfleet Academy debate team complete with horn rim glasses!

Picard was the reckless one getting stabbed though the heart while still a cadet, Kirk was the serious one. But then Pine's Kirk had a different childhood without his father.

Exactly,

I'm glad Orci isn't directing. I haven't watched the F&F franchise. The closest I've come to that one is Vehicle 19 which I actually loved.

So I haven't been following this stuff at all. Is there fledgeling script out there somewhere? If so, someone point me to it please

 

[Greg Cox]

So I haven't been following this stuff at all. Is there fledgeling script out there somewhere? If so, someone point me to it please

Okay. I don't get this. Why would anyone want to read the script nearly two years before the movie comes out?

Talk about spoilers!

 

[Amaris]

The fact that Khan's blood had special properties is the first thing established in the movie, and in fact is the concept that sets the whole plot in motion.

I actually did not connect the dots on that one.

I probably need to watch STID again, sadly.

Yep:

1. Khan uses some of his blood to save the life of the child whose father ends up destroying the Section 31 base.

2. Testing Khan's blood on a dead tribble, McCoy tries to understand the properties behind Khan's amazing ability to take so much abuse and heal as fast as he does.

3. Kirk dies of radiation poisoning, and as McCoy is preparing to perform the autopsy, the tribble begins to reanimate. This convinces McCoy that Khan's blood is powerfully recuperative in nature, and that's when he tells Uhura to relay the information to Spock that Khan needs to be brought back alive and in one piece.

It's well-threaded throughout the film.

 

[indranee]

So, I liked the first F&F movie enough to download the score from Amazon - then discovered that no, no I should not be playing it with the top down in city traffic. It's a bit unseemly for an elderly white dude to be blaring hip-hop that uses racial epithets so freely and frequently.

TBH, Dennis, I'm waiting for the day I hear a "F**K" in a Trek movie.

 

[indranee]

So I haven't been following this stuff at all. Is there fledgeling script out there somewhere? If so, someone point me to it please

Okay. I don't get this. Why would anyone want to read the script nearly two years before the movie comes out?

Talk about spoilers!

Greg, you should know me better by now! I'm the biggest spoiler-ho ever.

 

[Greg Cox]

So I haven't been following this stuff at all. Is there fledgeling script out there somewhere? If so, someone point me to it please

Okay. I don't get this. Why would anyone want to read the script nearly two years before the movie comes out?

Talk about spoilers!

Greg, you should know me better by now! I'm the biggest spoiler-ho ever.

Whereas I go out of my way to avoid movie spoilers . . . unless I get to write the novelization, of course!

 

[BeatleJWOL]

The fact that Khan's blood had special properties is the first thing established in the movie, and in fact is the concept that sets the whole plot in motion.

I actually did not connect the dots on that one.

I probably need to watch STID again, sadly.

Yep

Yeah, I remembered all three pieces but never made the thematic leap there. Then again, I never had much issue with the "magic blood" anyway, it's as much a useful MacGuffin as the Genesis Device, for instance.

 

[Mudd]

So, I liked the first F&F movie enough to download the score from Amazon - then discovered that no, no I should not be playing it with the top down in city traffic. It's a bit unseemly for an elderly white dude to be blaring hip-hop that uses racial epithets so freely and frequently.

TBH, Dennis, I'm waiting for the day I hear a "F**K" in a Trek movie.

It will be glorious..

 

[CorporalClegg]

Yeah, I remembered all three pieces but never made the thematic leap there. Then again, I never had much issue with the "magic blood" anyway, it's as much a useful MacGuffin as the Genesis Device, for instance.

Or "katra."

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

2. Testing Khan's blood on a dead tribble, McCoy tries to understand the properties behind Khan's amazing ability to take so much abuse and heal as fast as he does.

It wasn't that they used the blood, it was how clunky that whole scene was with the tribble. Kirk and Khan are having an intense discussion, and then Kirk randomly asks "Hey, Bones, tell the audience why you're randomly doing research at this specific moment at the next table so that the (basically) very next scene is neutered when they see me die so soon after this conversation."

Maybe the new director and fresh perspective will help smooth out some of these things that stick out? I'm almost hoping it helps remove a lot of the references or nods to previous stories. We have a brand new universe full of things to explore. Hopefully Jusin Lin is the man to show us!

 

[BeatleJWOL]

Clearly not everybody who watched the film was taking such careful notes.

Certainly escaped my notice

 

[CorporalClegg]

It wasn't that they used the blood, it was how clunky that whole scene was with the tribble. Kirk and Khan are having an intense discussion, and then Kirk randomly asks "Hey, Bones, tell the audience why you're randomly doing research at this specific moment at the next table so that the (basically) very next scene is neutered when they see me die so soon after this conversation."

Curiosity is kind of a thing with scientists.

 

[BillJ]

It wasn't that they used the blood, it was how clunky that whole scene was with the tribble. Kirk and Khan are having an intense discussion, and then Kirk randomly asks "Hey, Bones, tell the audience why you're randomly doing research at this specific moment at the next table so that the (basically) very next scene is neutered when they see me die so soon after this conversation."

Curiosity is kind of a thing with scientists.

Not only that. But what is the point on setting stories in a huge universe with fifty-years of history if you're not suppose to use any of it? It makes me scratch my head.

 

[austen_pierce]

It wasn't that they used the blood, it was how clunky that whole scene was with the tribble. Kirk and Khan are having an intense discussion, and then Kirk randomly asks "Hey, Bones, tell the audience why you're randomly doing research at this specific moment at the next table so that the (basically) very next scene is neutered when they see me die so soon after this conversation."

Curiosity is kind of a thing with scientists.

Not only that. But what is the point on setting stories in a huge universe with fifty-years of history if you're not suppose to use any of it? It makes me scratch my head.

Yeah, this. Like Ironhide said, "If ya got it, use it."

 

[fireproof78]

It wasn't that they used the blood, it was how clunky that whole scene was with the tribble. Kirk and Khan are having an intense discussion, and then Kirk randomly asks "Hey, Bones, tell the audience why you're randomly doing research at this specific moment at the next table so that the (basically) very next scene is neutered when they see me die so soon after this conversation."

Curiosity is kind of a thing with scientists.

Yeah, no kidding. Kirk asks Bones all the time what is he working on. Trouble with Tribbles, Operation: Annihilate!, among others. Not sure why Kirk wouldn't ask what's going, regardless of what he is dealing with at the time. I seem to remember Kirk doing that sometimes in TOS.

 

[johnjm22]

Obviously, this is terrible news.

Lin's movies are pathetic. His cringe-worthy list of credits are as bad as Orci's.

Paramount was disappointed STID was unable to get the younger demographic of other big budget summer movies. I think they hope to change that by hiring Lin.

Oh yeah, I know. STID sucked so bad it only made half a billion dollars, and achieved critical acclaim, like its predecessor. Now they think they can make a third movie using that loser formula that has failed them so far? Hah! Well, I'll show them: I'm only going to go see the movie four or five times. That will show them.

You don't think Paramount wanted Trek to do better in the under 25 demographic?

ST isn't going to get to the mega box office numbers of films like F&F6 without doing better with younger viewers.

I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say that was a consideration when hiring Lin.

 

[los2188]

Now I just read this article..and I found this interesting...

"Star Trek 3" will unite old and new "Trek" when it premieres ahead of the 50th anniversary of the classic show.

And

"Star Trek" was rebooted in 2009 with a new cast playing Captain Kirk, Mr Spock and the rest of the classic characters. That was followed by "Star Trek into Darkness" in 2013, and in 2016 the saga will come full circle as the third installment forms the centrepiece of the 50th anniversary celebrations.

So does this mean that they are going back to the "prime" timeline?

http://www.cnet.com/news/star-trek-...n-the-shows-50th-anniversary/#ftag=YHF65cbda0

 

[fireproof78]

Obviously, this is terrible news.

Lin's movies are pathetic. His cringe-worthy list of credits are as bad as Orci's.

Paramount was disappointed STID was unable to get the younger demographic of other big budget summer movies. I think they hope to change that by hiring Lin.

Oh yeah, I know. STID sucked so bad it only made half a billion dollars, and achieved critical acclaim, like its predecessor. Now they think they can make a third movie using that loser formula that has failed them so far? Hah! Well, I'll show them: I'm only going to go see the movie four or five times. That will show them.

You don't think Paramount wanted Trek to do better in the under 25 demographic?

ST isn't going to get to the mega box office numbers of films like F&F6 without doing better with younger viewers.

I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say that was a consideration when hiring Lin.

Of course they wanted it to do better. They are in business to make money so they will always want to do better. The process of selecting Lin was a business decision, can they afford him, is he available, can he produce on their schedule, etc.

I don't think anyone is expecting Trek to do F&F numbers, even with Lin at the helm. I think they want the next Trek to do well, and make them money.

Regardless, Lin has more to offer than just F&F.

 

[johnjm22]

Oh yeah, I know. STID sucked so bad it only made half a billion dollars, and achieved critical acclaim, like its predecessor. Now they think they can make a third movie using that loser formula that has failed them so far? Hah! Well, I'll show them: I'm only going to go see the movie four or five times. That will show them.

You don't think Paramount wanted Trek to do better in the under 25 demographic?

ST isn't going to get to the mega box office numbers of films like F&F6 without doing better with younger viewers.

I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say that was a consideration when hiring Lin.

Of course they wanted it to do better. They are in business to make money so they will always want to do better. The process of selecting Lin was a business decision, can they afford him, is he available, can he produce on their schedule, etc.

What other kind of decision would it be?

I'm not sure I understand your point here. Yes a director would have to be available, affordable, and able to meet a deadline. There's probably hundreds of directors that fit that criteria.