Justice League official "Zack Snyder" cut on HBO Max

[crookeddy]

One week is not long enough to watch this very long move and keep sanity.

I have severe ADD and easily finished it in 1 day.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I have severe ADD and easily finished it in 1 day.

Are you twitching?

What about nightmares?

 

[crookeddy]

Are you twitching?

What about nightmares?

Only Knightmares, and in 4:3 aspect ratio.

 

[crookeddy]

Speaking of Knightmares I can now confirm that BVS on HBO max is the remastered one with IMAX scenes on all devices.

 

[thribs]

One week is not long enough to watch this very long move and keep sanity.

I managed to watch it fine. I actually found it one of the easier long movies to watch

 

[Guy Gardener]

Lucky you.

My wife kept getting tired.

Took us four days.

 

[Aragorn]

A trailer for Man of Steel and Batman v. Superman setting up Justice League. Kind of weird to have it come out after Justice League, but here it is.

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[thribs]

LoL! WB really trying to say this is the end but I doubt the fans will have it.
I would also add WW to those films as well. I know he didn’t direct it but he was heavily involved in the story.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

LoL! WB really trying to say this is the end but I doubt the fans will have it.
I would also add WW to those films as well. I know he didn’t direct it but he was heavily involved in the story.

Yep--he co-wrote and co-produced Wonder Woman at the time he was still driving the DCEU.

 

[crookeddy]

Yep--he co-wrote and co-produced Wonder Woman at the time he was still driving the DCEU.

So what happened to his "the red in her costume represents the blood of her enemies"?

 

[N-121973]

According to Amazon UK the film will be released in the UK on May 24th .
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Snyders-Ju...74ec&pd_rd_wg=LPfOr&ref_=pd_gw_ci_mcx_mr_hp_d

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Lucky you.

My wife kept getting tired.

Took us four days.

You are just lazy.

 

[The Realist]

According to Amazon UK the film will be released in the UK on May 24th .
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Snyders-Ju...74ec&pd_rd_wg=LPfOr&ref_=pd_gw_ci_mcx_mr_hp_d

Irritatingly, they won't ship it to the US. If Warner doesn't announce a concurrent domestic release (pretty sure they're holding off on that to force people to HBO Max, which will. Not. Work), I'll have to get it via eBay or third-party Amazon sellers.

 

[thribs]

Really? Usually you can import them. Try HMV or Zavvi. They might allow imports.

 

[crookeddy]

Irritatingly, they won't ship it to the US. If Warner doesn't announce a concurrent domestic release (pretty sure they're holding off on that to force people to HBO Max, which will. Not. Work), I'll have to get it via eBay or third-party Amazon sellers.

How will it not work? It's already working. Hbo max numbers have been going up fast since the wonder woman drop.

 

[The Realist]

How will it not work? It's already working. Hbo max numbers have been going up fast since the wonder woman drop.

Meant it won't work with me. The entertainment industry wants to make it so nothing actually exists anymore, and everything is just e-this and digital-that and streaming-the-other-thing, because it means they rake in the $$$ without having to produce anything tangible or permanent. But I will hold out for physical media till the last.

 

[JD]

The UK has pre orders up for the 4K and blu ray but I don’t know about the DVD.
HBO Max does free week trials if you look hard enough.

You don't even have to look hard, all you have to do is go to their website and click the button that says start free trial.

What's most interesting to me here are Terrio's defenses of his work on Batman v. Superman. It's interesting to hear that in some ways, he fought to make it less nihilistic than it already was -- someone Terrio doesn't name wanted Batman to still be branding people at the end, and Terrio fought against that, for instance. Terrior's primary creative focus seems to have been in Batman's character arc, which was admittedly one of the stronger parts of that film. (Even there, though, Terrio did not do enough work to justify Bruce's instant 180-degree-change from hating Superman to accepting Clark as a friend and equal, all over the mere coincidence of thir mothers having the same name. It almost, but does not quite, work.)

In other areas, I think there's just a fundamental disconnect between the kind of film Terrio wanted to write and the kind of film a Superman movie ought to be -- it's all well and good to say that you want to deconstruct Superman by making a comparison between the long-term consequences of his actions in Nairomi (Nairomi???) and those of U.S. imperialism on formerly colonized nations, but 1) this is based on creative conceits that are more appropriate for an adult film than a children's hero character, and 2) this attempt at deconstruction still does not actually have any payoff or reveal any deeper truths. There is, for instance, no indication that Clark in the expanded cut of BvS has a personal realization that he was being kind of racist in his actions in Nairomi -- the attempt at doing an "adult" version of Superman fails on its own terms because Clark at no point evinces the kind of maturity or self-realization an adult in his circumstances ought to have. (Also, revealing that the events of Nairomi were the result of Luthor's manipulation severely undermines the entire attempted comparison of Superman's intervention to U.S. imperialism.)

I really do appreciate Terrio's remarks about wanting to do a version of Justice League where the characters are more emotionally three-dimensional, where there's a sense of love and purpose and redemption. If that's the case, then the Snyder cut of Terrio's script might be genuinely less nihilistic than BvS and than most of Snyder's other films. I'll probably find out this weekend.



Setting aside the apparent fact that Whedon is an abusive piece of shit and that he apparently feels way too threatened when a black man disagrees with him:

I think Whedon's creative sensibilities were such that the 2017 edit was never not going to be a Frankenstein's monster patchwork. Whedon was never not going to try to reconceive of the entire project from the ground up, because he as an artist (insert predictable "Whedon's not a real artist" replies here) probably never supported the original Terrio/Snyder vision. The only way to avoid this would have been to hire someone who did not have a strong creative vision of their own and would be willing to just try to re-create Snyder's vision.

But that was itself never going to happen, because Warner Bros. execs had lost faith in Snyder's creative decision-making even before he left the project as a result of the failure of Batman v. Superman; they were essentially already trying to get Snyder himself to chance his creative vision in the middle of production, which is not itself a good decision either. (Not that hiring Snyder was itself a good creative decision in the first place. His perversion of Alan Moore's thematic concerns in Watchmen should have precluded him from adapting anything other than an Ayn Rand melodrama.)

Basically, the metaphorical ocean liner was going the wrong way, they tried to change course too fast, and instead the ship hit an iceberg.

There were two good options for what to do with the JL movie, and WB decided to go with their own bad third one. They really should have either waited until Zack Snyder was ready to get back to work following his daughter's death, or they should have just let Whedon do a clear slate reboot that was all his, instead of forcing him to rush through a movie that was part his and part Snyder's.

 

[Aragorn]

The suits wanted to chase the Marvel money by redoing Justice League but they also wanted to make sure it kept its release date so they got their bonuses. I believe most of them are no longer with Warner.

 

[Noname Given]

You don't even have to look hard, all you have to do is go to their website and click the button that says start free trial.


There were two good options for what to do with the JL movie, and WB decided to go with their own bad third one. They really should have either waited until Zack Snyder was ready to get back to work following his daughter's death, or they should have just let Whedon do a clear slate reboot that was all his, instead of forcing him to rush through a movie that was part his and part Snyder's.

Oh please. Is the Snyder cut slightly better? Yes. But to be honest there's no way it would have made so much more money than the version that was released. It's not like it's night and day and hell the snider cut is still an hour too long and you could easily cut an hour and retain the elements that make it a better film. (including about 15 minutes of that ridiculous alternate universe Batman segment in the epilogue. WTF was that about?)

 

[thribs]

It’s not that hard to explain. Darkseid takes over the Earth and Batman leads a resistance force. You see it in BvS as well.