Justice League official "Zack Snyder" cut on HBO Max

[LaxScrutiny]

Warner Bros. ponied up an additional $70 million to complete post-production on the Synder Cut, I’m pretty sure they want everything up on the screen to have something to show for their investment.

They're launching HBO Max. This gives them a venue to earn revenue from their product without paying commission to third parties.
A show/movie that might not make them profit on Netflix becomes income on their own streaming venue.
Disney has already taken that route, and I'm sure other studios will follow. Seriously, we are witnessing the birth of "cable channels" in the streaming market. Makes sense if it's priced right.
Venues like Amazon and YouTube can make money with digital rentals and downloads, think of them as the new Blockbuster.
The studios make some profit as well, but current streaming services lose the weight they carry at the moment as the studios take more control of their own products' distribution.
Essentially, I see the studios taking control and ownership of their products and distributing them directly. Streaming is low cost if you have access to the market and a popular product including an existing catalogue.
With regards to the Snyder cut, it has a lot of attention and they will make more streaming it on their own venue than licensing it out; they need subscribers. They, like Disney, have a catalogue that will keep revenue flowing, giving them the cash flow to produce new content.

 

[LaxScrutiny]

This JL cut is not a stunt for Zack Snyder to ease his way back into the DC movie universe franchise?

I think he had an idea, a vision, a story to tell. Imagine if Tolkien was cut out from the third book. Snyder wants to finish his story.
That's my opinion anyway. He could have just walked away.

 

[UssGlenn]

I think he had an idea, a vision, a story to tell. Imagine if Tolkien was cut out from the third book. Snyder wants to finish his story.
That's my opinion anyway. He could have just walked away.

We don't usually think of Snyder as an artist but, this does show artistic integrity.

 

[JD]

This JL cut is not a stunt for Zack Snyder to ease his way back into the DC movie universe franchise?

I don't think so. I think they're releasing it for 2 reasons, they're giving in to fan demand, and they're giving Zack Snyder a chance to finish up the story arc he started back in Man of Steel.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I don't think so. I think they're releasing it for 2 reasons, they're giving in to fan demand, and they're giving Zack Snyder a chance to finish up the story arc he started back in Man of Steel.

It's also cheaper (and easier, with covid) than filming a new movie.

 

[JD]

That too.

 

[LaxScrutiny]

I don't think so. I think they're releasing it for 2 reasons, they're giving in to fan demand, and they're giving Zack Snyder a chance to finish up the story arc he started back in Man of Steel.

I think there is a third reason.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/28/trolls-world-tour-made-more-money-for-universal-than-trolls.html
Trolls WT brought in $100 million in digital downloads and rentals. In three weeks.
If Snyder JL brings in half that it pays for the post-production costs. If it makes more, it starts to cover at least a portion of the cost to essentially film three movies and only release one.
Add to that, HBO Max is just starting and with the amount of coverage and chatter (at least among the fanbase) it is marketing new exclusive content. Unlike, say, licensing to Netflix, Warner gets all the revenue and likely more subscribers.
So, $$$.

 

[suarezguy]

Then there is the fact Superman is basically on his first day on the job and he's confronted by Zod and company--a much more fearsome version than in 1978 (where Superman was no longer new to the job).

That's true but related to another issue people have with the film and version, why does Superman wait until things are at such a catastrophic crisis to emerge as Superman? It's understandable that this Superman would be wearier and more reluctant to do so but waiting until he's I think 33 and when Zod basically demands/forces him to still feels like a very contrived way to make him more controversial and less publicly trusted.

It feels especially contrived in that he had already met and learned from Jor-El who as I recall endorsed the idea of him being a public hero and gave him training and he still doesn't publicly emerge until he's forced to in those circumstances.

 

[Ovation]

It feels especially contrived in that he had already met and learned from Jor-El who as I recall endorsed the idea of him being a public hero and gave him training and he still doesn't publicly emerge until he's forced to in those circumstances.

No more than a few days between that and Zod's arrival. Not the years that passed in the Donnerverse. And Clark's heroics from behind the scenes are entirely consistent with his experience up to the point of meeting Jor-El. He knows he's not from Earth--and that's it. He also grew up in an era far less "Norman Rockwell" than in earlier versions of the story, with human parents who are flawed, as well as shaped in the post-Watergate era. They fear he'll be taken by the government or other organization and subjected to illicit experiments and are protective of him--as parents generally are of their children. But despite the impulse to hide him from the world (to protect him), Clark, from at least the bus incident, if not implicitly earlier, has the imperative to help others (so clearly, his flawed parents were not the morally bankrupt people some complainers have suggested). He continues to do for quite a long time after the bus incident--until we get to the discovery of the scout ship. It's only then he discovers his true heritage. So, first day on the job is entirely appropriate as the lens in which to assess his actions against Zod and company. Moreover, it's that "first day on the job" aspect that I find especially interesting.

 

[JD]

I think there is a third reason.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/28/trolls-world-tour-made-more-money-for-universal-than-trolls.html
Trolls WT brought in $100 million in digital downloads and rentals. In three weeks.
If Snyder JL brings in half that it pays for the post-production costs. If it makes more, it starts to cover at least a portion of the cost to essentially film three movies and only release one.
Add to that, HBO Max is just starting and with the amount of coverage and chatter (at least among the fanbase) it is marketing new exclusive content. Unlike, say, licensing to Netflix, Warner gets all the revenue and likely more subscribers.
So, $$$.

This isn't really the same, the Trolls movie came out as a paid rental and purchase, while The Snyder Cut will be free to subscribers. I'm not sure exactly how it works for the company, but as far as I know, they don't make money directly off of the free stuff, like they would the paid rentals and purchases. They could draw in a few more subscribers, but that builds over time, rather than the one big pay day paid stuff brings in.

 

[Noname Given]

This isn't really the same, the Trolls movie came out as a paid rental and purchase, while The Snyder Cut will be free to subscribers. I'm not sure exactly how it works for the company, but as far as I know, they don't make money directly off of the free stuff, like they would the paid rentals and purchases. They could draw in a few more subscribers, but that builds over time, rather than the one big pay day paid stuff brings in.

They're hoping it will drive more people to subscribe to the service. They want to get as many subscribers as they can, like any streaming service.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

No more than a few days between that and Zod's arrival. Not the years that passed in the Donnerverse. And Clark's heroics from behind the scenes are entirely consistent with his experience up to the point of meeting Jor-El. He knows he's not from Earth--and that's it. He also grew up in an era far less "Norman Rockwell" than in earlier versions of the story, with human parents who are flawed, as well as shaped in the post-Watergate era. They fear he'll be taken by the government or other organization and subjected to illicit experiments and are protective of him--as parents generally are of their children. But despite the impulse to hide him from the world (to protect him), Clark, from at least the bus incident, if not implicitly earlier, has the imperative to help others (so clearly, his flawed parents were not the morally bankrupt people some complainers have suggested). He continues to do for quite a long time after the bus incident--until we get to the discovery of the scout ship. It's only then he discovers his true heritage. So, first day on the job is entirely appropriate as the lens in which to assess his actions against Zod and company. Moreover, it's that "first day on the job" aspect that I find especially interesting.

Well said. Some have the impression that Clark should come out of the womb "superheroing", with no hesitation or fear about his being an alien in a world of humans. He should just put on a cape because everyone accepts and worships him.

 

[DigificWriter]

Well said. Some have the impression that Clark should come out of the womb "superheroing", with no hesitation or fear about his being an alien in a world of humans. He should just put on a cape because everyone accepts and worships him.

Which can seem boring and make him bland and unrelatable to some people, such as myself.

The DCEU haters refuse to recognize this, but Henry Cavill's Superman is 100% faithful to and representative of the character as he has been depicted, overall, for more than 80 years, but in a way that doesn't feel outdated, boring or unrelatable.

 

[FreezeC77]

Which can seem boring and make him bland and unrelatable to some people, such as myself.

The DCEU haters refuse to recognize this, but Henry Cavill's Superman is 100% faithful to and representative of the character as he has been depicted, overall, for more than 80 years, but in a way that doesn't feel outdated, boring or unrelatable.

For me I don't have anything against Cavill's specific portrayal, but more so the way some of the scenes were written. I will never accept the way Zod vs Superman was done in terms of endangerment of regular people in the fight.

Compared to Christopher Reeve's Superman vs Zod/Ursa/Non where you see multiple times of Superman protecting people or trying to move the fight away from the city to the water/Ellis Island. You have Zod and Superman fighting and destroying buildings that are falling onto streets with fleeing people in Man Of Steel.

 

[Ovation]

Compared to Christopher Reeve's Superman vs Zod/Ursa/Non where you see multiple times of Superman protecting people or trying to move the fight away from the city to the water/Ellis Island. You have Zod and Superman fighting and destroying buildings that are falling onto streets with fleeing people in Man Of Steel.

First. Day. On. The. Job.

And Zod is a far more fearsome menace in Man of Steel than in Superman II.

 

[DigificWriter]

For me I don't have anything against Cavill's specific portrayal, but more so the way some of the scenes were written. I will never accept the way Zod vs Superman was done in terms of endangerment of regular people in the fight.

Compared to Christopher Reeve's Superman vs Zod/Ursa/Non where you see multiple times of Superman protecting people or trying to move the fight away from the city to the water/Ellis Island. You have Zod and Superman fighting and destroying buildings that are falling onto streets with fleeing people in Man Of Steel.

You're trying to create a false equivalency between Superman stories with very different narrative aesthetics and then use that equivalency as a critique, invalidating the premise of what you're arguing.

 

[FreezeC77]

You're trying to create a false equivalency between Superman stories with very different narrative aesthetics and then use that equivalency as a critique, invalidating the premise of what you're arguing.

I like Cavill. I like how Cavill portays Superman. I *DID NOT* like the director's choice on how to present him specifically in those events. If that isn't plain enough for you without feeling like it's somehow attacking Henry Cavill's Superman than I got nothing else for you.

 

[Caretaker]

For me I don't have anything against Cavill's specific portrayal, but more so the way some of the scenes were written. I will never accept the way Zod vs Superman was done in terms of endangerment of regular people in the fight.

Compared to Christopher Reeve's Superman vs Zod/Ursa/Non where you see multiple times of Superman protecting people or trying to move the fight away from the city to the water/Ellis Island. You have Zod and Superman fighting and destroying buildings that are falling onto streets with fleeing people in Man Of Steel.

You’ll never convince Snyder fanboys that there is anything “un-Superman” with his take.

 

[Amos]

You’ll never convince Snyder fanboys that there is anything “un-Superman” with his take.

I enjoyed MoS and most of the DCEU but I'll concede that Superman didn't seem to give much thought to saving people and property. When Supes grabbed Zod after threatening his mom at the Kent farm, he had literally hundreds of square miles of wide open fields/pasture to take the fight, but chose Smallville instead. Granted a fight in the middle of a field wouldn't have been nearly as exciting to movie audiences as smashing each other through buildings and throwning trains and such. In regard to the OT, I can't wait to see Snyder's take on JL.

 

[Mudd]

I don't think so. I think they're releasing it for 2 reasons, they're giving in to fan demand, and they're giving Zack Snyder a chance to finish up the story arc he started back in Man of Steel.

They're not doing it to "give Zack Snyder" a fucking thing. They don't owe him anything, and they don't care. This is business pure and simple.

I'm mildly disappointed this clusterfuck isn't over and done with, yet. Time drags where this kind of drag is concerned.