just saw it- some questions

[Mr. Laser Beam]

The Federation was supposed to have eliminated capitalism by Picard's time

And even that is debatable. In ST:FC, Picard says that the acquisition of wealth "is no longer the driving force", he doesn't say it has disappeared. Even if you believe him (which I don't).

although other races still used money in DS9. In fact, in Kirk's time they still used credits.

They do in TNG and later, as well. Remember these:

- TNG's pilot ep, where Beverly buys something and tells the shopkeeper to put it on her account

- Sisko tells of how, when he was at the Academy, he used up a lot of credits because he beamed back home for dinner every night

- A late TNG episode where Riker cashes in all his Federation credit vouchers at Quark's bar, to get Quark to give him information

- TNG's "The Price"; the Federation negotiates for wormhole rights, paying CREDITS for it

- DS9 "Honor Among Thieves"; Bolias, a Federation member world, has its own bank

 

[RoJoHen]

I bet the Ferengi bought out all of Earth's businesses. It would explain why everybody on Earth has jobs, yet nobody gets paid.

 

[Sci]

ps- I thought Kirk listening to Beastie Boys was weird too...

Why would listening to the Beastie Boys be any weirder than listening to Beethoven or Mozart? One centuries-old composition or another; either way, they'd both sound ancient to someone from the 23rd Century.

 

[strikefalcon]

It's very hard to believe that capitalism is completely dead in the future, even the 24th century. Even an enlightened human race would still need some form of currency to trade for certain items that either have a patent owner that deserves a return on the work put into their creation and for trade with other worlds as well.

Even in the age of replicators, I see gourmet chefs still creating recipes and selling the program for replicators and people wanting to purchase them when they're going to be traveling and want to expand the menu of their personal replicators.

We don't see too many civilians in Trek, so I almost think that there's probably an entirely different economy, so to speak, for civilians than there is for Starfleet personnel, who have most every need catered too when serving aboard a starship or a starbase.

 

[melancholymecha]

ps- I thought Kirk listening to Beastie Boys was weird too...

Why would listening to the Beastie Boys be any weirder than listening to Beethoven or Mozart? One centuries-old composition or another; either way, they'd both sound ancient to someone from the 23rd Century.

I know, but still just the idea of little Kirk jamming to Beastie Boys is odd...Due to TNG Im used to the only music that exists in the Trek world being classical. I guess one of the ways Abrams is going to change the Trek universe is that this new Trek is going to feel more familiar to us now. You know the Trek culture in TNG never felt to me like it really evolved from our own current society, but some alternate utopian one. It just became so shiney & pristine.

 

[Jeri]

The classical music I remember from TOS were two instances with characters where it was appropriate: Trelane and Flint -- both of whom were associated in the story with that era in history.

Otherwise, the music in TOS was either extra-cultural (outside our culture) or that zany Hollywood facsimile of 1960's current culture in The Way to Eden, which I always imagined was inspired by a trip to see "Hair" playing down the street from the studio. (I was living in SoCal at the time.)

 

[GhostFaceSaint]

ps- I thought Kirk listening to Beastie Boys was weird too...

Why would listening to the Beastie Boys be any weirder than listening to Beethoven or Mozart? One centuries-old composition or another; either way, they'd both sound ancient to someone from the 23rd Century.

I know, but still just the idea of little Kirk jamming to Beastie Boys is odd...Due to TNG Im used to the only music that exists in the Trek world being classical. I guess one of the ways Abrams is going to change the Trek universe is that this new Trek is going to feel more familiar to us now. You know the Trek culture in TNG never felt to me like it really evolved from our own current society, but some alternate utopian one. It just became so shiney & pristine.

Trek has always needed more hints of realism in it to keep it from falling into the trap of one or two dimensionality, that criticism of Trek has followed all Trek for years and years.

The classical music I remember from TOS were two instances with characters where it was appropriate: Trelane and Flint -- both of whom were associated in the story with that era in history.

Otherwise, the music in TOS was either extra-cultural (outside our culture) or that zany Hollywood facsimile of 1960's current culture in The Way to Eden, which I always imagined was inspired by a trip to see "Hair" playing down the street from the studio. (I was living in SoCal at the time.)

Yeah, Trek had lost that element after TOS ended. I am glad to see it back.

 

[Hoser]

And even that is debatable.

Well, yeah. Like the Bible, Trek has a million writers and they all don't really agree on what things are or will be.
I'd say Roddenberry would've killed off capitalism tho.

 

[strikefalcon]

^^^But even then, he would have only been able to eliminate capitalism on member worlds of the Federation. The Federation would have still needed capital of one form or another to execute trade with outside worlds. So one way or another, capitalism would still exist in one way or another in Star Trek even if Roddenberry was in charge of every single series, movie, and episode.