Just how old is Capt Pike? (based on 1 line in Saints of Imperfection)

[Henoch]

Star Trek (2009) is mostly in 2258.

Mostly, but filming spans ~3 years, so, he is also 51 in ~2261. He'd be born in 2210. I'm being kind to his age.

... I'd split the difference and say Pike was born in 2212. Hunter's Pike still works as being 42 in "The Cage".

With the 2210 birthdate, the compromise date would increase a year to 2213 or 41 in the "Cage". I can live with either.

 

[Lord Garth]

I'm going to use this as an opening to say NuPike was my favorite part about the Kelvin Movies. In 2009, I wished Pike was in command throughout. I liked the movie but, to me, Pike felt more like a Captain.

I could buy Chris Pine as Kirk, just not as a Captain. Pine played the part as written and directed but Kirk -- as a character -- looked to me like he was playing dress-up. Maybe that was intentional since Kirk was literally thrown into the role via leap-frogging, but that was my takeaway. Which, to their credit, they actually did address in Into Darkness. Star Trek Beyond was the first time I bought Chris Pine's Kirk as Captain Kirk. For a long time I wondered if it had to do with the actor or not and whether or not it just took him a while to grow into the role. But when I saw Wonder Woman and combined it with Beyond, it looked like it did come down to the way Kirk was written in the first two movies. Pine had the acting range to be written more mature.

 

[Henoch]

I'm going to use this as an opening to say NuPike was my favorite part about the Kelvin Movies. In 2009, I wished Pike was in command throughout. I liked the movie but, to me, Pike felt more like a Captain.

I could buy Chris Pine as Kirk, just not as a Captain. Pine played the part as written and directed but Kirk -- as a character -- looked to me like he was playing dress-up. Maybe that was intentional since Kirk was literally thrown into the role via leap-frogging, but that was my takeaway. Which, to their credit, they actually did address in Into Darkness. Star Trek Beyond was the first time I bought Chris Pine's Kirk as Captain Kirk. For a long time I wondered if it had to do with the actor or not and whether or not it just took him a while to grow into the role. But when I saw Wonder Woman and combined it with Beyond, it looked like it did come down to way Kirk was written in the first two movies. Pine had the acting range to be written more mature.

Greenwood's mature Pike was great. He was calming and charming; definitely respected.

Same as with Greenwood's age, Pine was ~28 during filming, so, by 2261, his character needed to be 28. Good age match. I agree, the directing he got was to act as a hot head. I just think he would have mellowed a little more in the 3 years he was in Starfleet Academy. Oh well. In Beyond, Pine was 35. Right age for 2268 Kirk and we see Pine act more like TOS Kirk.

 

[F. King Daniel]

My only wish for Pine is that now Kirk's "grown up" he keep his beard for Trek, cos it makes him look far more mature and commanding.

All moot now, though

 

[drt]

Most are falsely assuming that Georgiou was the same age as Pike during her starfleet training years.

She could have been an older cadet like McCoy in ST09, and Tilly on STD...who looks 30ish.

During the Saru flashbacks, Georgiou in her Lieutenant years looked around 40.

I'm OK with Georgiou being an older cadet.

One thing, even though Mary Wiseman is obviously older, Tilly is supposed to be in her early twenties since her middle school class was 2247 according to the graphic in "New Eden".

 

[Timo]

Of course, Georgiou could also have been a teacher. In Lieutenant Georgiou's class, you either swim or drink. But regardless of the choice, she'll have you memorize the regulations in no time flat.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Yistaan]

Of course, Georgiou could also have been a teacher. In Lieutenant Georgiou's class, you either swim or drink. But regardless of the choice, she'll have you memorize the regulations in no time flat.

Timo Saloniemi

If Georgiou was a teacher, why was she memorizing regulations in week 2 with Pike?

And being an older cadet again violates that personnel file, which gives her years of Academy attendance along with her birth year.

 

[saladdays]

If Georgiou was a teacher, why was she memorizing regulations in week 2 with Pike?

Why would memorizing regulations preclude here from ever being a teacher of some sort? (And I'm not saying she was, but just that I don't think that makes a difference.)

 

[Yistaan]

Why would memorizing regulations preclude here from ever being a teacher of some sort? (And I'm not saying she was, but just that I don't think that makes a difference.)

Well I suppose it's possible if these regulations were brand new and announced while Georgiou was teaching Pike, and thus they had to learn them together. And they had a cozy relationship where teachers drink with students (it happens in the real world, although I think it's generally avoided as it can lead to inappropriate or criminal situations as seen in a few news stories).

 

[saladdays]

Well I suppose it's possible if these regulations were brand new and announced while Georgiou was teaching Pike, and thus they had to learn them together. And they had a cozy relationship where teachers drink with students (it happens in the real world, although I think it's generally avoided as it can lead to inappropriate or criminal situations as seen in a few news stories).

Yeah, something like that. I don't necessarily believe that's the case, but it's plausible.

 

[Nyotarules]

They'd be more surprised the doctor was 52. That look doesn't read as "52" in 2019. Might not even read as 62.

The doctor neglected to take his 'slow down your aging' serum. I like the idea of a 23rd century human looking 30-40 something in their 50's, it makes sense since humans have a lifespan of 140 plus.

Well, Riker did say something like, "How did Barclay get through the academy?"

Riker was sometimes an asshole, even his own father ignored him for years

PICARD: The acquisition of wealth is no longer the driving force in our lives. ...We work to better ourselves ...and the rest of humanity. Actually we're rather like yourself and Doctor Cochrane.

Well happens today, I doubt people become teachers, nurses or cleaners to acquire wealth. However the statement is canon but the TNG contradicts itself on this, like the Starfleet military argument. The 23rd century had wealthy humans - Carter Winston, probably a trillionaire

No-money thing is a great idea and actually shows that the society of the future is radically different. It is just unimaginative people who are blinded by capitalist propaganda who cannot see it.

Because everyone knows socialist societies never use money lol

Yet they have warp drive!
No-money thing however is far more realistic. If you have high level of automatisation, practically unlimited energy and means to convert that energy into any material object you might ever desire, money kinda loses most of its purpose.

How do you allocate property or run a winery?

If there's no currency in the 24th Century...

How did Dr. Crusher purchase the bolt of fabric that magically appeared before her on Farpoint Station?
(which she then had beamed up to her quarters)


From Memory Alpha...

"While Beverly and Wesley Crusher were shopping at the mall of Farpoint Station in 2364, they witnessed how the fabric of one of the Bandi shopkeepers changed to please Beverly as she said before. As a result she purchased the entire bolt and had it sent up to the USS ENTERPRISE. (TNG: Encounter at Farpoint)"

Crusher is a liar, she never paid her debts since money does not exist in the Federation and Farpoint was part of the Federation

 

[Yistaan]

The doctor neglected to take his 'slow down your aging' serum. I like the idea of a 23rd century human looking 30-40 something in their 50's, it makes sense since humans have a lifespan of 140 plus.



Riker was sometimes an asshole, even his own father ignored him for years



Well happens today, I doubt people become teachers, nurses or cleaners to acquire wealth. However the statement is canon but the TNG contradicts itself on this, like the Starfleet military argument. The 23rd century had wealthy humans - Carter Winston, probably a trillionaire



Because everyone knows socialist societies never use money lol


How do you allocate property or run a winery?


Crusher is a liar, she never paid her debts since money does not exist in the Federation and Farpoint was part of the Federation

I solved all inconsistencies regarding money in Star Trek with my bizarre theory below.

Maybe our system of money is eradicated in favor of some bizarre future version of bitcoin? I'll call it fitcoin. When Picard says, we work to better ourselves, maybe every Federation citizen has a chip installed that tracks neural connections, physical health, etc.

Working out, learning new languages and advanced science, performing tasks, etc. is loaded into a chip installed in every person. Personal improvement is the new bitcoin mining, called fitcoin mining. The more you work out and study, the more fitcoins you have.

Thus, when Picard says people work to better themselves, they are just mining more fitcoins. All other currency (dollars, renminbi, euros, even bitcoins) are eliminated in favor of fitcoins. Thus you reconcile statements saying there is no money since the late 22nd century with the obvious references to money in TOS etc.

Those money references are references to fitcoins, which people earn through bettering themselves.

 

[XCV330]

I solved all inconsistencies regarding money in Star Trek with my bizarre theory below.

would explain why even a screw up like Barclay gets a swank downtown apartment in Frisco. Physical fitness req's plus all the science bounties Enterprise picked up.

edited: I really like your theory. One of the best fan theories I've read in awhile

 

[DaveyNY]

The doctor neglected to take his 'slow down your aging' serum. I like the idea of a 23rd century human looking 30-40 something in their 50's, it makes sense since humans have a lifespan of 140 plus.



Riker was sometimes an asshole, even his own father ignored him for years



Well happens today, I doubt people become teachers, nurses or cleaners to acquire wealth. However the statement is canon but the TNG contradicts itself on this, like the Starfleet military argument. The 23rd century had wealthy humans - Carter Winston, probably a trillionaire



Because everyone knows socialist societies never use money lol


How do you allocate property or run a winery?


Crusher is a liar, she never paid her debts since money does not exist in the Federation and Farpoint was part of the Federation

Farpoint was applying to become a part of the Federation in that episode, wasn't one yet.
Try again...

 

[Nyotarules]

Farpoint was applying to become a part of the Federation in that episode, wasn't one yet.
Try again...

OK in a money free society how is housing and land distributed?

 

[DaveyNY]

OK in a money free society how is housing and land distributed?

Ummm...
Why are you asking me, the gist of my posts is that there IS some form of either electronic or hard currency in the 24th century.

 

[Nyotarules]

Ummm...
Why are you asking me, the gist of my posts is that there IS some form of either electronic or hard currency in the 24th century.

Lol we agree. Maybe everyone gets a raffle ticket at birth at something lol

 

[DaveyNY]

I was just pointing out a nitpick about Farpoint Station in your previous post.

 

[Longinus]

OK in a money free society how is housing and land distributed?

Fairly.

 

[Nyotarules]

Fairly.

Spoken like a politician