Just how old is Capt Pike? (based on 1 line in Saints of Imperfection)

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  1. Henoch

    Henoch Captain Premium Member

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    Mostly, but filming spans ~3 years, so, he is also 51 in ~2261. He'd be born in 2210. I'm being kind to his age. ;)
    With the 2210 birthdate, the compromise date would increase a year to 2213 or 41 in the "Cage". I can live with either.
     
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  2. Lord Garth

    Lord Garth Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I'm going to use this as an opening to say NuPike was my favorite part about the Kelvin Movies. In 2009, I wished Pike was in command throughout. I liked the movie but, to me, Pike felt more like a Captain.

    I could buy Chris Pine as Kirk, just not as a Captain. Pine played the part as written and directed but Kirk -- as a character -- looked to me like he was playing dress-up. Maybe that was intentional since Kirk was literally thrown into the role via leap-frogging, but that was my takeaway. Which, to their credit, they actually did address in Into Darkness. Star Trek Beyond was the first time I bought Chris Pine's Kirk as Captain Kirk. For a long time I wondered if it had to do with the actor or not and whether or not it just took him a while to grow into the role. But when I saw Wonder Woman and combined it with Beyond, it looked like it did come down to the way Kirk was written in the first two movies. Pine had the acting range to be written more mature.
     
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  3. Henoch

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    Greenwood's mature Pike was great. He was calming and charming; definitely respected.

    Same as with Greenwood's age, Pine was ~28 during filming, so, by 2261, his character needed to be 28. Good age match. I agree, the directing he got was to act as a hot head. I just think he would have mellowed a little more in the 3 years he was in Starfleet Academy. Oh well. In Beyond, Pine was 35. Right age for 2268 Kirk and we see Pine act more like TOS Kirk.
     
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    My only wish for Pine is that now Kirk's "grown up" he keep his beard for Trek, cos it makes him look far more mature and commanding.

    All moot now, though:sigh:
     
  5. drt

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    I'm OK with Georgiou being an older cadet.

    One thing, even though Mary Wiseman is obviously older, Tilly is supposed to be in her early twenties since her middle school class was 2247 according to the graphic in "New Eden".
     
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    Of course, Georgiou could also have been a teacher. In Lieutenant Georgiou's class, you either swim or drink. But regardless of the choice, she'll have you memorize the regulations in no time flat.

    Timo Saloniemi
     
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  7. Yistaan

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    If Georgiou was a teacher, why was she memorizing regulations in week 2 with Pike?

    And being an older cadet again violates that personnel file, which gives her years of Academy attendance along with her birth year.
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  8. saladdays

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    Why would memorizing regulations preclude here from ever being a teacher of some sort? (And I'm not saying she was, but just that I don't think that makes a difference.)
     
  9. Yistaan

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    Well I suppose it's possible if these regulations were brand new and announced while Georgiou was teaching Pike, and thus they had to learn them together. And they had a cozy relationship where teachers drink with students (it happens in the real world, although I think it's generally avoided as it can lead to inappropriate or criminal situations as seen in a few news stories).
     
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    saladdays Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Yeah, something like that. I don't necessarily believe that's the case, but it's plausible.
     
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  11. Nyotarules

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    The doctor neglected to take his 'slow down your aging' serum. I like the idea of a 23rd century human looking 30-40 something in their 50's, it makes sense since humans have a lifespan of 140 plus.

    Riker was sometimes an asshole, even his own father ignored him for years

    Well happens today, I doubt people become teachers, nurses or cleaners to acquire wealth. However the statement is canon but the TNG contradicts itself on this, like the Starfleet military argument. The 23rd century had wealthy humans - Carter Winston, probably a trillionaire

    Because everyone knows socialist societies never use money lol

    How do you allocate property or run a winery?
    Crusher is a liar, she never paid her debts since money does not exist in the Federation and Farpoint was part of the Federation
     
  12. Yistaan

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    I solved all inconsistencies regarding money in Star Trek with my bizarre theory below. ;)
     
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  13. XCV330

    XCV330 Commodore Commodore

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    would explain why even a screw up like Barclay gets a swank downtown apartment in Frisco. Physical fitness req's plus all the science bounties Enterprise picked up.

    edited: I really like your theory. One of the best fan theories I've read in awhile
     
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  14. DaveyNY

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    Farpoint was applying to become a part of the Federation in that episode, wasn't one yet.
    Try again... :nyah:
     
  15. Nyotarules

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    OK in a money free society how is housing and land distributed?
     
  16. DaveyNY

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    Ummm...
    Why are you asking me, the gist of my posts is that there IS some form of either electronic or hard currency in the 24th century.
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  17. Nyotarules

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    Lol we agree. Maybe everyone gets a raffle ticket at birth at something lol
     
  18. DaveyNY

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    I was just pointing out a nitpick about Farpoint Station in your previous post.
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  19. Longinus

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    Fairly.
     
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  20. Nyotarules

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    Spoken like a politician