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Jurassic World - Discussion and Grading

Grade: Jurassic World

  • A+

    Votes: 8 6.6%
  • A

    Votes: 28 23.0%
  • A-

    Votes: 17 13.9%
  • B+

    Votes: 27 22.1%
  • B

    Votes: 17 13.9%
  • B-

    Votes: 6 4.9%
  • C+

    Votes: 9 7.4%
  • C

    Votes: 5 4.1%
  • C-

    Votes: 1 0.8%
  • D+

    Votes: 2 1.6%
  • D

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • D-

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • F

    Votes: 2 1.6%

  • Total voters
    122
  • Poll closed .
I thought the original theme shoud've been used as the train went though the opening gate, not the helicopter flyover.

They mentioned that was the original gate from the old park, right?

It made me wonder how much the world knows about what happened in the first film.

Near as I can tell, Ian Malcolm wrote a book (God Creates Dinosaurs) immediately after JP detailing exactly what happened in embarrassing detail (embarrassing for Alan Grant, that is). That got him in legal trouble with InGen (for violating a NDA), thrown out of his university job and dismissed as a nut. Nobody took him seriously until that T-Rex showed up in San Diego four years later. Between that, the death of Hammond's slimy nephew Ludlow (by baby T-Rex) and Hammond's own deathbed confession, the whole world knew the story after that point (1997). Isla Sorna, aka Site B, is declared a wildlife preserve while Simon Masrani starts talks to take over InGen and resurrect Jurassic Park as Jurassic World. Construction was about to start on Jurassic World when Grant took his unplanned weekend jaunt to Isla Sorna in 2001, and the park is stated to have opened in June 2005.

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And no, it's not the same gate. Not even close.
 
And no, it's not the same gate. Not even close.

There's some mention in a voiceover (might be automated on the monorail) of the original park's gate. I'm 100% sure. As someone said upthread, it might be wood from it or some such. It's definitely mentioned.
 
They could have taken it and re purposed it. But it's in a very different location and obviously looks very different.
 
And no, it's not the same gate. Not even close.

There's some mention in a voiceover (might be automated on the monorail) of the original park's gate. I'm 100% sure. As someone said upthread, it might be wood from it or some such. It's definitely mentioned.

As I mentioned earlier, it was said the gate in Jurassic World was made of wood/material from the old park. It's not the old gate itself.
 
What got me about that scene was just how utterly long it took the ACU (or whatever they were called) to begin firing. It took Fisk shouting the order on the radio to get them to fire and by that time the I-Rex had established her Alpha status over the raptors and the tables had turned. But during the whole scene up to that point the I-Rex and raptors are "talking" to one another, studying one another, and everyone is staying quiet and still. Meanwhile we see the laser-sight beams through the forest fog all trained on the I-Rex. At this point it seemed containment was no longer the goal and they were hoping to take the thing down. Why was no one firing?!

Yeah. Unless they were being polite to the dinosaurs, I haven't a clue.

Nostalgia Critic reviewed the movie recently, and brought up another thing that bothered me. did it take them so long to figure out that the big dino was part raptor? It looked like a raptor, moved like a raptor, sounded like a raptor, and talked to the raptors. Yet, the movie made it out to be a huge mystery that gets solved over halfway through the film!

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6umfTLuCI8[/yt]
Wikipedia indicated that Dilophosaurus was reduced in size for the first JP movie, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilophosaurus

Imagine full size specimens as pack hunters.
Ironic, considering we now know that Velociraptors were the size of a dog.
 
So this is a long thread and I may have missed it, but I haven't seen any discussion of the most ridiculous unbelievable part of the movie, which was the asinine deus ex machina, which is the mosasaurus leaping into a normally guest/pedestrian accessible area of the park to take down Indominus Rex.

Surprisingly enough, the "tamed" raptors, which was the part of the movie I thought I would hate the most, didn't bother me. I thought they credibly set up Owen's relationship with them, and the fact that they were never really tame, and in fact, Owen was against the idea of using them in the manner that they did and that the entire enterprise back fired pretty horribly, set me at ease a lot.
 
So this is a long thread and I may have missed it, but I haven't seen any discussion of the most ridiculous unbelievable part of the movie, which was the asinine deus ex machina, which is the mosasaurus leaping into a normally guest/pedestrian accessible area of the park to take down Indominus Rex.

It was a silly moment - but they practically took the audience by the hand in every scene with that beast and told us "look, this is the set-up for the grand finale" :)
 
What got me about that scene was just how utterly long it took the ACU (or whatever they were called) to begin firing. It took Fisk shouting the order on the radio to get them to fire and by that time the I-Rex had established her Alpha status over the raptors and the tables had turned. But during the whole scene up to that point the I-Rex and raptors are "talking" to one another, studying one another, and everyone is staying quiet and still. Meanwhile we see the laser-sight beams through the forest fog all trained on the I-Rex. At this point it seemed containment was no longer the goal and they were hoping to take the thing down. Why was no one firing?!

Yeah. Unless they were being polite to the dinosaurs, I haven't a clue.

Nostalgia Critic reviewed the movie recently, and brought up another thing that bothered me. did it take them so long to figure out that the big dino was part raptor? It looked like a raptor, moved like a raptor, sounded like a raptor, and talked to the raptors. Yet, the movie made it out to be a huge mystery that gets solved over halfway through the film!

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6umfTLuCI8[/yt]
Wikipedia indicated that Dilophosaurus was reduced in size for the first JP movie, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilophosaurus

Imagine full size specimens as pack hunters.
Ironic, considering we now know that Velociraptors were the size of a dog.

I like The Nostalgia Critic but the problem with this review it seemed like a lot of Doug Walker seeped in and he's tried to make it over the years as clear as possible that The Nostalgia Critic is a "character" and doesn't necessarily reflect his own opinions or rather TNC takes Doug's opinions to Nth Degree and adds in a lot of hyperbole. This was at most an issue as TNC would do Mara Wilson movies and he'd constantly make fun of the child star and express annoyance with her. Eventually Mara got wind of this and over social media spoke of how upset it made her. Eventually, Doug Walker got in contact with her and explained TNC is a character and the he, Doug, doesn't have a problem with her and the two actually became something of friends and he let Mara make an "appearance" on TNC show using videos Doug made in high-school of himself against her.

But in the JW review there's a LOT of Doug bleeding through, especially if you've seen The Sibling Rivalry review of JW Doug did with his brother Rob where Doug makes many of the same arguments and seems to have basically wanted the movie to be purely dinosaurs attacking and eating people....? This comes in the light of well received movie and is becoming what I call "The Fury Road Effect" where people start wanting movies to be more mindless action and violence more than story.

Which is what Fury Road, for me, is. I *liked* Fury Road but let's be honest, there wasn't a whole lot of character, story or drama to it. It was series of vignettes with awesome action scenes in between. But it's not what I want to see all movies become. The characters and story in JW were all fine, I didn't need -or want- to see a movie with dinosaurs eating up 20,000 innocent tourists.

So, can't say I agreed with Doug (or TNC's) review of JW and more agreed with Rob who more-or-less seemed to like it and thought it was fine and during TSR review seemed just at a loss as to what Doug wanted as I was.

And I don't completely think the I-Rex looked like a raptor. It had some raptor-like qualities, I suppose, but given its size, the way it walked, its stance and such I got a lot more of the T-Rex from it. Though the use of raptor DNA wasn't a surprise since simply from a story-telling and fan-service POV that was obvious. But it may have not been obvious to the characters since there still seemed to be some respect and danger around the raptors and the I-Rex just didn't scream "raptor" to them. And it's not like Owen or the others ever really got a good look at it anyway to judge what dinosaurs were in its genes.

So this is a long thread and I may have missed it, but I haven't seen any discussion of the most ridiculous unbelievable part of the movie, which was the asinine deus ex machina, which is the mosasaurus leaping into a normally guest/pedestrian accessible area of the park to take down Indominus Rex.

That's good point, but maybe nothing ever came close enough to the edge of the lagoon that the mosasaurus was interested in and the huge presence of the I-Rex interested it enough to intervene.

Surprisingly enough, the "tamed" raptors, which was the part of the movie I thought I would hate the most, didn't bother me. I thought they credibly set up Owen's relationship with them, and the fact that they were never really tame, and in fact, Owen was against the idea of using them in the manner that they did and that the entire enterprise back fired pretty horribly, set me at ease a lot.

I thought the "tamed" raptors was well done too, mostly because as you said they weren't tamed. Owen just managed to establish Alpha status over them, he earned their respect as their leader. Owen respected them in turn and did his best to protect them and, as you said, was against using them for military applications.

Which is a dumb idea and not sure where anyone got the notion that was a good idea. I mean we have plenty of vicious, carnivorous, animals around today and we don't use them for military purposes. We're not taking lions, cheetahs and bears into battle why would the presence of dinosaurs be any different?
 
So this is a long thread and I may have missed it, but I haven't seen any discussion of the most ridiculous unbelievable part of the movie, which was the asinine deus ex machina, which is the mosasaurus leaping into a normally guest/pedestrian accessible area of the park to take down Indominus Rex.

Surprisingly enough, the "tamed" raptors, which was the part of the movie I thought I would hate the most, didn't bother me. I thought they credibly set up Owen's relationship with them, and the fact that they were never really tame, and in fact, Owen was against the idea of using them in the manner that they did and that the entire enterprise back fired pretty horribly, set me at ease a lot.

Actually, there's a point in the T-Rex/I-Rex fight where the two bust through the mosasaurus electric fence, allowing the obviously underfed mosasaurus to eat AGAIN :)
 
I mean we have plenty of vicious, carnivorous, animals around today and we don't use them for military purposes. We're not taking lions, cheetahs and bears into battle why would the presence of dinosaurs be any different?

I had to wonder about this too.

Is the intention to create some sort of raptor strike force (as Owen somewhat attempted to do and what seems to be intimated by the InGen character) or is this a "Let's dump a bunch of them on our enemies and back away" type scenario?
 
I just got back from the movie a little while ago and I really enjoyed it. I'd give it a sold A.
I really liked the raptors. I have to admit, like a lot of you I was a little hesitant about some of that, but i thought they really made it work. Which actually kind of sums up the whole movie for me.
The story wasn't the most deep thing ever, but it was a good way to build all of the action scenes, and give us some interesting characters.
It had a great cast, and I liked most of the characters enough that I didn't want to see of them die.
I'm a big fan of Vincent D'onofrio, and I thought he was a pretty good human villain here.
I'm also big fan of the TV series Merlin, so I got a big kick of seeing Katie McGrath, who played Morgana on the show.
It had some great action scenes.
With the way this one ended it will be interesting to see where they take a sequel.
 
I mean we have plenty of vicious, carnivorous, animals around today and we don't use them for military purposes. We're not taking lions, cheetahs and bears into battle why would the presence of dinosaurs be any different?

I had to wonder about this too.

Is the intention to create some sort of raptor strike force (as Owen somewhat attempted to do and what seems to be intimated by the InGen character) or is this a "Let's dump a bunch of them on our enemies and back away" type scenario?

Agreed. I also always wondered about this military angle in the Alien films too. I suppose a "dump them on our enemies and back away" scenario could work. But it still sounds incredibly dangerous and with a very high risk:reward ratio, particularly when most of the fighting these days is done with missiles that cause destruction on a much larger level than these dinosaurs would largely be capable of.
 
I mean we have plenty of vicious, carnivorous, animals around today and we don't use them for military purposes. We're not taking lions, cheetahs and bears into battle why would the presence of dinosaurs be any different?

I had to wonder about this too.

Is the intention to create some sort of raptor strike force (as Owen somewhat attempted to do and what seems to be intimated by the InGen character) or is this a "Let's dump a bunch of them on our enemies and back away" type scenario?

From what I recall, Hoskins' idea was to take Owen's model of Alpha leadership, and train them to go hunting in caves and the like.

While I understand the comparison with other carnivores, I think the base premise is that raptors are smart, and able to be communicated with in a way that other animals cannot be communicated with with the same result.

It may be a silly idea, but as far was the Jurassic Part/World series concept goes, it is a natural progression of the story that I personally enjoyed.

Regarding the mosasaurus why not? To me, it seemed like an interesting continuation of the theme of the dinosaurs following their nature. I personally don't consider it a deus ex machina, because we knew it was there. The I. rex probably presented a large and tempting target.

Finally, the NC critique of JW was one of the few I found myself disagreeing with. I get the point of the review is to review the film in a manner trying to avoid copyright take down on YT. That said, yeah it's over the top, and I personally thought the film did a better job than he describes it, but that's fine by me. The fact that I. rex is part raptor is no surprise to me, simply because this franchise has created raptors to be the be-all-end-all dino of their world.
 
I just finished reading the Lost World novel for the first time in forever, and the active camo dino bit was in it!
 
Saw the movie last weekend and loved it. My childhood was spent waiting for shots like this, as ridiculous as it is cool:

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Andy Dwyer, BAMF
 
I'm also big fan of the TV series Merlin, so I got a big kick of seeing Katie McGrath, who played Morgana on the show.

Merlin is a great show. And while I don't think McGrath is a good actress I too was looking forward to seeing her in the film. Her character was pointless though.

Saw the movie last weekend and loved it. My childhood was spent waiting for shots like this, as ridiculous as it is cool:

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Andy Dwyer, BAMF

:techman:

That shot looked so bad in the trailer, yet so good in the context of the movie.
 
I like The Nostalgia Critic but the problem with this review it seemed like a lot of Doug Walker seeped in and he's tried to make it over the years as clear as possible that The Nostalgia Critic is a "character" and doesn't necessarily reflect his own opinions or rather TNC takes Doug's opinions to Nth Degree and adds in a lot of hyperbole.
That is a good point, but I felt they made it clear that it wasn't a "normal" NC episode, but one where they mock Universal for all of the copyright shit they have been dealing with on their other JP reviews.

Here is another rant about the movie on YouTube that sort of matched my feelings about the movie.
Warning, though, there is some colorful language.

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9j1GnJZgv9w[/yt]
Which is a dumb idea and not sure where anyone got the notion that was a good idea.

The same person who thought ripping off Aliens was a good idea. At least xenomorphs bleed acid, making them a tad more dangerous than raptors.
 
Which is a dumb idea and not sure where anyone got the notion that was a good idea. I mean we have plenty of vicious, carnivorous, animals around today and we don't use them for military purposes. We're not taking lions, cheetahs and bears into battle why would the presence of dinosaurs be any different?

Because...

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