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Julian/Jadzia

Reece L101

Reece L101

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I'm no hairologist, but I remember Worf having pretty straight hair. At best maybe wavy, though I mostly just remember it being straight.
 
When I was 16, I inquired of my friend Art if his sister Linda was available and he just looked at me for what seemed to be a full minute, without talking, and then said between his teeth, "... she's not for you." Can you believe that shite? Depriving his sister like that. To keep the peace, I just let it go, you know? But whatever ... OK, now, pretend I'm Arty when I say between my teeth, "... Jadzia is not for Julian."
 
2takesfrakes said:
When I was 16, I inquired of my friend Art if his sister Linda was available and he just looked at me for what seemed to be a full minute, without talking, and then said between his teeth, "... she's not for you." Can you believe that shite? Depriving his sister like that. To keep the peace, I just let it go, you know? But whatever ... OK, now, pretend I'm Arty when I say between my teeth, "... Jadzia is not for Julian."
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That is your opinion. But in my opinion, you are complete and utter wrong because I have watched through the first few seasons of DS9 and I did see some chemistry go on. Worf then comes along in Season 4 and as a result of Curzon's memories, she falls for something that creates no chemistry at all and it was rushed which led to an ULTRA Cheap and crap wedding in the end.

Read through the pages again if you must.
 
I agree that I wouldn't have expected to see Jadzia with Worf at first, but as a Trill, her views and attitudes are completely fluid to whatever the writers felt like doing with her. For Worf's part, naturally, he's going to want Jadzia ... I mean ... who doesn't? So, when you put those elements together in that fashion, it's not such an unlikely pairing as might first appear. I suspect that Deanna Troi took the edge off him and kind of prepped him for Dax, without knowing it, of course. Personally, I would've just kept Jadzia footloose ... and fancy free. To keep fanboy fantasies alive!
 
2takesfrakes said:
I agree that I wouldn't have expected to see Jadzia with Worf at first, but as a Trill, her views and attitudes are completely fluid to whatever the writers felt like doing with her. For Worf's part, naturally, he's going to want Jadzia ... I mean ... who doesn't? So, when you put those elements together in that fashion, it's not such an unlikely pairing as might first appear. I suspect that Deanna Troi took the edge off him and kind of prepped him for Dax, without knowing it, of course. Personally, I would've just kept Jadzia footloose ... and fancy free. To keep fanboy fantasies alive!
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To some extent, I am starting to agree with your point and I hope I am not the only person who dislikes Dax/Worf but I do wish they had gone down the mainstream Julian/Jadzia route because I had noticed they trust and take care of each other and they would have been a better match by far. Their uniforms matched because they were Science/Blue and Blue is also my favourite colour and throughout star trek, there has not been love with uniform colours matching except for guest appearances and that would have made this one different in appearance if this makes any sense.
 
Allow me to question you further, Reece ... brace yourself :
How did you feel about her untimely demise? What are your thoughts on that?
 
2takesfrakes said:
Allow me to question you further, Reece ... brace yourself :
How did you feel about her untimely demise? What are your thoughts on that?
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You are right because in the first few seasons, Bashir was quite annoying and was not suitable for Jadzia at that point but later on from Season 4/5 onwards then possibly could have been 'had Worf not come along'.
 
Look at Keiko and O'Brien, for crying out loud. She was as cute as she wanted to be, but Keiko made O'Brien's life a living hell, eventually. I mean ... it got so bad that he'd gotten to prefer hanging out with Julian at Quarks than coming back home to his own wife and her friggin' mouth. Nag, nag, nag, bitch, bitch, bitch ... she drove Miles to drink! I mean, if any couple was NOT meant to be and WAS, it was these two. I mean, yes, she COULD be and WAS sweet to him, when she'd gotten all of her bitching out of her system.

But it didn't last. Sooner or later -- and it was usually sooner, I'm afraid -- she'd start her shit again and O'Brien would just hit the bottle harder. But, you know ... it's always good at the beginning, isn't it Reece? And that's how it would've been with Julian and Dax. It would've been great, to start ... until some crazy argument started, or some shit. Then Julian and O'Brien are both drowning their sorrows over what, otherwise, seemed to be something very much worth bragging over. So, I'm glad we didn't get to see that.
 
2takesfrakes said:
Look at Keiko and O'Brien, for crying out loud. She was as cute as she wanted to be, but Keiko made O'Brien's life a living hell, eventually. I mean ... it got so bad that he'd gotten to prefer hanging out with Julian at Quarks than coming back home to his own wife and her friggin' mouth. Nag, nag, nag, bitch, bitch, bitch ... she drove Miles to drink! I mean, if any couple was NOT meant to be and WAS, it was these two. I mean, yes, she COULD be and WAS sweet to him, when she'd gotten all of her bitching out of her system.

But it didn't last. Sooner or later -- and it was usually sooner, I'm afraid -- she'd start her shit again and O'Brien would just hit the bottle harder. But, you know ... it's always good at the beginning, isn't it Reece? And that's how it would've been with Julian and Dax. It would've been great, to start ... until some crazy argument started, or some shit. Then Julian and O'Brien are both drowning their sorrows over what, otherwise, seemed to be something very much worth bragging over. So, I'm glad we didn't get to see that.
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Fair Point.
However, I still wished it went that route between Julian and Jadzia though
 
There's always that one who got away, isn't there? For me, it was my beloved Judith: raven hair, blue eyes (her ass was kinda big, but nobody's perfect). I gave her everything, Reece: my heart ... my smile ... my seed. And she took off, anyway, leaving me with ... well ... more on my hands than I was prepared to deal with, at the time. Anyway, some relationships just can't work -- Julian and Dax are just one example of this.
 
2takesfrakes said:
There's always that one who got away, isn't there? For me, it was my beloved Judith: raven hair, blue eyes (her ass was kinda big, but nobody's perfect). I gave her everything, Reece: my heart ... my smile ... my seed. And she took off, anyway, leaving me with ... well ... more on my hands than I was prepared to deal with, at the time. Anyway, some relationships just can't work -- Julian and Dax are just one example of this.
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2takesfrakes said:
There's always that one who got away, isn't there? For me, it was my beloved Judith: raven hair, blue eyes (her ass was kinda big, but nobody's perfect). I gave her everything, Reece: my heart ... my smile ... my seed. And she took off, anyway, leaving me with ... well ... more on my hands than I was prepared to deal with, at the time. Anyway, some relationships just can't work -- Julian and Dax are just one example of this.
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That is life isn't it and we just have to go with the flow and move on and I have had people who do not like me back and I suffered for quite a while but overtime, I have managed to settle those feelings to some extent.
 
I think Keiko and Miles were a good couple. Married people do have disagreements, at time very serious ones that can't be solved by some deus ex machina. There's give and take involved. The Station is not a good place for a botanist, so when they moved to the station after a few years she took a botany job for a while and then came back. Then it was Miles' turn for a while. Then back to Earth at the end of the show. But they didn't not stop loving each other or split up, they continued to get along on important things. I think that's a better model of a marriage than one or the other giving up their career completely for the sake of the other.

Oh, and it's also a good thing to have close friends besides one's spouse. Looking to the spouse to be the only close relationship one has isn't healthy.
 
kkt said:
I think Keiko and Miles were a good couple. Married people do have disagreements, at time very serious ones that can't be solved by some deus ex machina. There's give and take involved. The Station is not a good place for a botanist, so when they moved to the station after a few years she took a botany job for a while and then came back. Then it was Miles' turn for a while. Then back to Earth at the end of the show. But they didn't not stop loving each other or split up, they continued to get along on important things. I think that's a better model of a marriage than one or the other giving up their career completely for the sake of the other.

Oh, and it's also a good thing to have close friends besides one's spouse. Looking to the spouse to be the only close relationship one has isn't healthy.
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They were a good couple in the series and It would had been nice as well if Julian had Jadzia to go to as his spouse aswell as been best friends with Miles.
 
Isn't the real question, where the O'Briens are concerned, at any rate: is the drama of their constant bickering entertaining? I say nay! Every now and then, fine, but she rides his ass and will not get off. It makes me wonder, sometimes, if Keiko wasn't meant to be priveledged, or perhaps, she was spoiled as a child. I would've had to recommend she go see Deanna Troi, when she was still aboard Enterprise. The only problem with that is ... Dee wasn't a very good counselor. Look at her patients and tell me who improved, at all, under her auspices? Barclay always remained, well ... Barclay. Worf & Alexander never benefitted from Troi's sage advice. I don't mean to say, outright, that Dee's a quack, but ... she was probably better at feeling things than solving things. Put it that way ...
 
To expand on the O'Brien marriage point... I thought it was the most real portrayal of marriage in the franchise. Their disagreements could be very severe, and they definitely had some issues at times. But that is marriage in general. At the end of the day, each of them stood by each other in every way and both sacrificed for the other. They really loved each other.

And having a best friend to hang around with is healthy, and can actually help a marriage. Who do you go to when you have a fight with your wife? Having that other perspective can be not only useful and solve the fight, but having a distraction long enough to get your mind off the fight and come back more level headed solves far more issues than it creates. And let's not forget, it was Bashir who inspired O'Brien to come up with the idea for Keiko to go to Bajor and be a botanist. I think that saved their marriage in the long run.
 
2takesfrakes said:
For me, it was my beloved Judith: raven hair, blue eyes (her ass was kinda big, but nobody's perfect). I gave her everything, Reece: my heart ... my smile ... my seed.
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You've been asked time and again to stop with these sexist and misogynistic posts. You’ve even received a couple of infractions in recent months for this kind of behaviour, but I guess the message just isn’t getting through. Allow me to reiterate the message. You have received an infraction for trolling. Comments to PM.
 
Farscape One said:
To expand on the O'Brien marriage point... I thought it was the most real portrayal of marriage in the franchise. Their disagreements could be very severe, and they definitely had some issues at times. But that is marriage in general. At the end of the day, each of them stood by each other in every way and both sacrificed for the other. They really loved each other.

And having a best friend to hang around with is healthy, and can actually help a marriage. Who do you go to when you have a fight with your wife? Having that other perspective can be not only useful and solve the fight, but having a distraction long enough to get your mind off the fight and come back more level headed solves far more issues than it creates. And let's not forget, it was Bashir who inspired O'Brien to come up with the idea for Keiko to go to Bajor and be a botanist. I think that saved their marriage in the long run.
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At last, a mature, civilised and non caveman perspective.....
 
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2takesfrakes said:
I gave her everything, Reece: my heart ... my smile ... my seed.
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Gross. Also of no actual cost. (Or is that value? Sometimes it's hard to tell. Especially in this context. Ehh... I'll go with both.)

And she took off, anyway, leaving me with ... well ... more on my hands than I was prepared to deal with
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Doing your own laundry isn't that bad. Except getting mustard out, which is a pain but still doable.

And if you set the dishwasher on high, and prewash, it will remove even the caked on stuff.
 
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