Julian, Head of Section 31
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He certainly would have
Garak knows everything!Garak was Obsidian Order. He knew.
I'm trying to think through if there's any situation during the course of the show where Section 31 and Obsidian Order would have common goals.
Seciton 31 probably knew about the plot to wipe out the Founders homeworld and encouraged it. They probably agreed on the Maquis situation.
Seciton 31 probably knew about the plot to wipe out the Founders homeworld and encouraged it. They probably agreed on the Maquis situation.
Oh, yes. Best case the Romulans and Cardassians succeed. Worst cast they fail and the Dominion takes their revenge on two of the Federation's rival powers in the alpha quadrant.
Its just terrible fanfic stuff
As mentioned, Bashir being head of 31 is a storyline developed by Ira Steven Behr, Ronald D. Moore etc. for the DS9 documentary. It might not be canon, but isn't fan fiction.
OK, I just might perhaps see how Julian would try to take the opportunity to reform Section 31 if he were to become the head of it.
What I don't see is why Section 31 would hand over its reigns willingly in the first place to a person whom they know detests their methods.
What I don't see is why Section 31 would hand over its reigns willingly in the first place to a person whom they know detests their methods.
Because both sides were convinced a little by each other at the end of DS9. Bashir was convinced that Starfleet Intelligence isn't equipped to prepare for real threats in peace time. Section 31 saw the way Odo ended the slaughter on Cardassia by giving them the cure.
Who's to say there aren't more people in Section 31 like Bashir who were recruited by Sloan and won over to his way of thinking but still had a conscience, and when Sloan disappeared, they got more power? And what if Bashir, after the war, tracked them down and cornered them and then made them an offer. Either I take over and we do things my way, or I take down your organization.
Imagine a situation like this. Bashir after a long investigation and game of trickery finds the real leaders of Section 31 and has them at phaser point. Then he goes into genetically engineered mode and lays out his predictions for what the future may hold. Then he tells them he believes he knows how to keep the Federation stable, but only Section 31 can do it. You can either come with me and protect the Federation, or I can take you all in now and Section 31 will be over.
Who's to say there aren't more people in Section 31 like Bashir who were recruited by Sloan and won over to his way of thinking but still had a conscience, and when Sloan disappeared, they got more power? And what if Bashir, after the war, tracked them down and cornered them and then made them an offer. Either I take over and we do things my way, or I take down your organization.
Imagine a situation like this. Bashir after a long investigation and game of trickery finds the real leaders of Section 31 and has them at phaser point. Then he goes into genetically engineered mode and lays out his predictions for what the future may hold. Then he tells them he believes he knows how to keep the Federation stable, but only Section 31 can do it. You can either come with me and protect the Federation, or I can take you all in now and Section 31 will be over.
My biggest problem with such an idea would be that it's yet again "A main character becomes head of [insert thing here] because they are a main character"
There's literally no reason why Bashir would become head of Section 31
Though tbf it's not as silly as Kira becoming Kai because she's a main character.
There's literally no reason why Bashir would become head of Section 31
Though tbf it's not as silly as Kira becoming Kai because she's a main character.
Maybe they didn't hand over control willingly? Maybe Bashir took them down and had to step into their place, unwillingly? It's a an intriguing possibility.
I can understand the 'taking them down' part, but why would he have to step into their place, even if unwillingly? What disasters would follow if he didn't ?
I just can't stomach the idea of Julian joining S31 since he detested them and their methods. It just seems OOC to me to have Julian become the head(or even a part of) S31 after we saw him try and get the secrets of S31 to take it down in Extreme Measures.
Bingo.
Alexander Siddig's recent comment:
I don’t know how it would be. What is he? Is he a retired professor? Or is he the Section 31 nebulous leader? Who knows what Bashir ends up as. His need to abide by his Hippocratic Oath is a really interesting paradox for him going forward if he is indeed still in Section 31. And also, if he becomes command material and the fact that he’s a doctor at heart. Or maybe he’s just teaching kids at an Academy.
https://trekmovie.com/2020/12/15/in...dr-bashirs-life-20-years-after-star-trek-ds9/
I don’t know how it would be. What is he? Is he a retired professor? Or is he the Section 31 nebulous leader? Who knows what Bashir ends up as. His need to abide by his Hippocratic Oath is a really interesting paradox for him going forward if he is indeed still in Section 31. And also, if he becomes command material and the fact that he’s a doctor at heart. Or maybe he’s just teaching kids at an Academy.
https://trekmovie.com/2020/12/15/in...dr-bashirs-life-20-years-after-star-trek-ds9/
It's one of the few times where even I would say, "That's a bit overdone yet I actually liked how they got him to that point so it can't be all that 'meh'."
Then again, it'd also be like Jean-Luc
siding with the Borg (and he was pretty much consistent in what I saw of PIC compared to latter-era TNG where he was dealing with the evil admiral of the week all the time... and I rather liked Jean-Luc meeting up with Hugh again (it helps to forget "Descent" existed, which (IMHO) was such a sappy story that - like NEMESIS regarding Data - the PIC series gave these two characters some more worthwhile changes... even though Hugh is murdered later on, I never cared how he was treated in "Descent"...)
Come to think of it, that would have been one hell of a story possibility too... all things considered, it's still "small universe syndrome"... like fences, I both like and hate ambivalence...
Come to think of it, that would have been one hell of a story possibility too... all things considered, it's still "small universe syndrome"... like fences, I both like and hate ambivalence...
