Julian disgusted me as a person

[Infern0]

Poor Julian carried a torch for Jadzia Dax for 7 years, he really cared about her, and part of that was for Jadzia, partly for Dax.

When Ezri came along she was a better match for him and he finally (in a way) got what he wanted.

Even if Jadzia had lived, broke up with worf then Julian got together with her, how is that disgusting? It happens all the time.

 

[Nightdiamond]

I think it's more about Ezri's issues than Julian..he kind of stayed out of Ezri's way most of the time..

One question...

If Jadzia would have chosen Julian if Worf hadn't come along, and this is part of the reason Ezri did end up with Julian (discovered she was in love with Julian) then would this mean Ezri's feelings was influence by Jadzia's memories?

It's possible at least.... Ezri's memories of Jadzia with Worf made her seek him out and rescue him.

In considering this fact, any memories of Julian would have been Jadzia's, not Ezri's...

Could she have fallen in love with Julian in that short time without Jadzia's memories of Julian??

 

[Infern0]

One question...

If Jadzia would have chosen Julian if Worf hadn't come along, and this is part of the reason Ezri did end up with Julian (discovered she was in love with Julian) then would this mean Ezri's feelings was influence by Jadzia's memories?

It's possible at least.... Ezri's memories of Jadzia with Worf made her seek him out and rescue him.

In considering this fact, any memories of Julian would have been Jadzia's, not Ezri's...

Could she have fallen in love with Julian in that short time without Jadzia's memories of Julian??

Yeah its possible, true love can form very quickly, in only a few days with me and the love of my life i knew i'd make her my wife one day

 

[Rush Limborg]

Well, remember how her feelings came out. The Breen mind probe brought her innermost emotions to the forefront.

Also note, in the scene with Worf caring for the barely-concious Ezri, the memories she mumbles about are all hers, and not Jadzia's.

When Ezri came along she was a better match for him and he finally (in a way) got what he wanted

Frankly, it wasn't just "in a way". I'd say Julian's feelings for Ezri run far deeper than his feelings for Jadzia.

Again, with Jadzia, he begins with a "puppy-dog" infatuation, and then it all settles down into good friendship--with an occasional It Might Have Been feelings of regret--but nothing akin to actual love.

Julian and Ezri, by contrast, begin (after Ezri destroys any "pick up where we left off" idea) as friends...and we see it grow deeper and deeper. Only in "Strange Bedfellows" does Julian note he's beginning to consider the idea of romance.

In the end, they finally admit their mutual feelings.

 

[Thestral]

Jake would have been the most interesting option, I think. Ezri's quite young (though struggling to deal with the "old man" part of her joined personality); Jake's all grown up by season seven and desperately searching for a character arc of some kind. Becoming the man in Ezri's life would have made a lot of sense for Jake, I think, at least potentially.

Bashir and Ezri getting together always felt like an uninspired choice to me. Not repulsive or jarring in any way, just a bit perfunctory and meaningless. In contrast to Rush, I found the "infamous" Worlds of DS9 scene to be a perfectly natural extension of what we had seen on the show. A "rebound" relationship of sorts for Dax, though the rebound in this case is from the life of a prior host.

I totally agree with this. Even though I like a Bashir/Ezri pairing. I've always thought it would be fun to see how Ben, Jake, and Dax would deal with an Ezri/Jake relationship based on her history with the family.

 

[Rush Limborg]

To be fair, I DID like the brief "teases" we got in "Shadows and Symbols", from Ezri's adorable "Hi, Jake!" in the beginning, to his confident, rather masculine "Hey...you sure you're okay?", and so on.

The first time I saw that ep, I mentally put myself in Jake's shoes. A cute young girl, about his own age (host-wise), who is vulnerable, sweet, bubbly, and as far as he's concerned, in serious longing for a man....

But to be honest...I think, in the end, Julian was the best guy for her. Jake was a bit too young, personality-wise and physically. Sisko was right to blow the idea out of the water. Jake had best settle for a girl who is his age. (BTW...if you read the books, he does get a girl....)

 

[Admiral Shran]

So, it doesn't bother me that Bashir ended up with Ezri the same way it bothers you. It bothers me that he, instead of Quark, ended up with her.

Yeah...outta curiosity, what did you see in the concept of Ezri/Quark?

I agree that it was a nice, sweet moment when Ezri kissed him on the cheek (granting him immortality in the process), and said, "You're a real sweetheart."

Still...I sincerely doubt anything would have worked out between the two....

Maybe it's that I see a lot more of myself in Quark than I do in Bashir. But there's also the fact that I like the character of Quark a lot more than the character of Bashir.

Rouges with hearts of gold have always appealed more to me than the straight-laced straight shooters. It's the same reason why I always wanted Han, and not Luke, to end up with Leia, even before I knew that Luke and Leia were brother and sister (damn, Lucas can be one sick bastard some times ).

Also, for all the talk about how Bashir never had a serious relationship before Ezri came along, when did Quark? At least Bashir had brushes with serious relationships (Melora, Leeta, Sarina). The closest Quark ever came to ANYTHING like one was with his brother, even though I think it's clear (from Once More Unto the Breach and The Emperor's New Cloak) that he would have been utterly devoted to Ezri.

 

[DevilEyes]

Also, for all the talk about how Bashir never had a serious relationship before Ezri came along, when did Quark? At least Bashir had brushes with serious relationships (Melora, Leeta, Sarina). The closest Quark ever came to ANYTHING like one was with his brother, even though I think it's clear (from Once More Unto the Breach and The Emperor's New Cloak) that he would have been utterly devoted to Ezri.

Natima Lang.

 

[Rush Limborg]

And to be fair, Bashir did once remark to O'Brien that he DID once have a serious relationship, with a beautiful young dancer during his Academy days. Ultimately, he turned down her father's offer for a private sector job, stayed in Starfleet...and the two never saw each other again.

Julian kinda implies that that was the reason for his rather cynical view towards long-term relationships, and marriage.

Still...considering the path he travels, romance-wise, I can't help but wonder what the dancer was like. Somehow, I get the impression she was very much like Ezri....

 

[Admiral Shran]

^ I'd forgotten about that one. So that's five serious relationships for Bashir (the dancer, Melora, Leeta, Sarina, and Ezri) and only one for Quark (Natima Lang).

Doesn't seem fair in my book.

 

[ares93]

^ I'd forgotten about that one. So that's five serious relationships for Bashir (the dancer, Melora, Leeta, Sarina, and Ezri) and only one for Quark (Natima Lang).

Doesn't seem fair in my book.

i agree on the dancer, leeta and ezri. but i'm not so sure about sarina and melora... and i wouldnt go as far as serious.

 

[Admiral Shran]

^ Closer than Quark ever got with anyone else.

 

[ares93]

^ Closer than Quark ever got with anyone else.

good point.

 

[jolene_b_fan]

Julian was annoying and not a strong character at the start of the series. I understand the comments, but I thought he became well rounded as the show went on. They wrote some good stuff for him and the character and friendship with Miles I thought was pretty good.

 

[Rush Limborg]

^ I'd forgotten about that one. So that's five serious relationships for Bashir (the dancer, Melora, Leeta, Sarina, and Ezri) and only one for Quark (Natima Lang).

Doesn't seem fair in my book.

Well...he did seem to have a serious relationship with Lady Grilka for a time. (I know...we know when it started--"Looking for par'mach...."--but we don't know when it ended. I'd say it went on for a while, considering its...intensity....)

And it seems as if he had a lot of "short-term" girlfriends--although, the ladies always seemed to be fellow schemers....

And of course, if you read the books, Quark and Ro Laren fall for each other. Of course, it eventually goes the way of Ezri/Julian--in the same group of short stories, no less!

And WHY? Ro cites his roguish attitudes when he holds "thoughts" about other women, and so on. Ironically enough, she doesn't want him to change--she says his roguis ways are exactly what attracted her to him!

(Sheesh. This woman needs to make up her mind! I don't get what KRAD was trying to say here....)

i agree on the dancer, leeta and ezri. but i'm not so sure about sarina and melora... and i wouldnt go as far as serious.

And...I'm not convinced his relationship with Leeta was that serious. Remember...she had had thoughts about Rom even before she left Bashir (As "Let He Who Is Without Sin..." makes clear). And, of course...there's the debacle over Kukalaka....

Basically, while there was a relationshp between the two, it didn't go that deep. As far as I was concerned, it was strictly physical, with little or no emotional connection.

 

[ares93]

And of course, if you read the books, Quark and Ro Laren fall for each other. Of course, it eventually goes the way of Ezri/Julian--in the same group of short stories, no less!

And WHY? Ro cites his roguish attitudes when he holds "thoughts" about other women, and so on. Ironically enough, she doesn't want him to change--she says his roguis ways are exactly what attracted her to him!

(Sheesh. This woman needs to make up her mind! I don't get what KRAD was trying to say here....)

in what book did that happen? i never really like Ro but come on. that's just plain stupid.

i agree on the dancer, leeta and ezri. but i'm not so sure about sarina and melora... and i wouldnt go as far as serious.

And...I'm not convinced his relationship with Leeta was that serious. Remember...she had had thoughts about Rom even before she left Bashir (As "Let He Who Is Without Sin..." makes clear). And, of course...there's the debacle over Kukalaka....

Basically, while there was a relationshp between the two, it didn't go that deep. As far as I was concerned, it was strictly physical, with little or no emotional connection.[/QUOTE]

well, that was kind of why i wrote: "wouldnt go as far as serious." but yes, i agree. truthfully, the only realtionship i would consider serious was with ezri. counting in the books that is. without the books... i'd say only the dancer.
now it maybe just me but i don't consider dating a few weeks serious. and if it really didnt go deeper than shown on screen, well not much seriousness there.

 

[Rush Limborg]

It was the Ferenginar story, "Satisfaction Is Not Guaranteed", in the Worlds of Star Trek DS9 series.

 

[Admiral Shran]

I guess the whole Ezri/Quark pairing had the appeal of a "beauty and the beast" relationship, which I tend to find very appealing.

Personally, I think that one would have been better than the beauty/beast relationship between Worf and Troi.

 

[Rush Limborg]

Well...Quark's certainly a beast--and Ezri's definitely a beauty!

(Although...you might want to edit your post to make it "Ezri/Quark", rather than "Quark/Ezri". It keeps the "respective" balance working. After all, you are NOT saying that Quark's the beauty, and Ezri's the... )

 

[Admiral Shran]

^ Good point.

Done.