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Joss Whedon in final negotiations to direct "The Avengers"

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A demonically enhanced 110lb woman with super strength. Captain America and Ms Marvel punch way above their weight limit as well, and nobody seems to mind.

The only criticism I never got.

If he puts Ms. Marvel in the movie then I won't be complaining, but so far the only female Avenger we know to be in any of the build up films is Black Widow - an ordinary human woman with no metahuman abilities.

While she has significant hand to hand combat training, she's not going to beat the Hulk or Thor in a fight.

Whedon has a habit of endowing his female characters with unnatural combat abilities. I'm not talking about Buffy here, she has superhuman abilities, I'm talking about River Tam and Echo.

River Tam is a genetically engineered killing machine with superhuman strength, speed, and agility, designed to kill Reavers. She's a Slayer made by science instead of magic.

That fight in Dollhouse's "Man on the Street" for instance lasts about 10 seconds in the real world. Echo just isn't a physical threat to a man with Ballard's size and training, no matter what skills you dump in to her brain.
The way Echo fought, yes, but Echo could have defeated him believably if she fought different. Because here's a reality check: he or she who cannot be hit, cannot be beaten. It doesn't matter how strong, large, powerful the opponent is, if they can't hit the other guy or girl, they can't defeat him or her.

This of course, lends to a fighting style that is designed to avoid getting hit, deflecting hits, redirecting their momentum, and using that opponent's strength and speed against them; not trading blow for blow as Echo did.

For some reason, as well, Dollhouse chose to purposefully ignore this reality by waiting until the penultimate episode to give such skills to an Active, namely Victor, who could actually use them. I think we all know why Joss does this.
Yeah, he's a misandrist.

Ms. Marvel, on the other hand, doesn't "punch above her weight". Under normal circumstances, she is capable of lifting around 70 tons. She can augment this further with her energy absorption ability to around 100 tons - making her a Level 11 on the generally agreed upon Marvel scale - a Level 12 is considered "Incalculable".
For a 70kg thin chick with curves and no muscles, that's punching above her weight.

All in all, I say give him a chance. People got to start somewhere right. And if Marvel feels like he can handle the job, give him that chance. BtVS was pretty much his only show that didn't get axed prematurely by Fox, some would say it stayed around longer than it should have, but if he gets the gig, we'll see how it turns out. This could possibly turn out to be a really good thing. It will be Whedon-ized storytelling, but with a bigger budget and really talented actors to back it. The biggest he's ever worked with, I'm sure. Or it will be a horrible blunder the world has ever witnessed. I actually think i started coming to these boards back in 2003 because of BtVS and anything Trek, but yeah.

None of Whedon's shows got axed prematurely by Fox. Two of his shows should never have been made, and if made anyway, should have been canceled a lot sooner, but that's a whole other matter.

Well, this is the Internet, so we have to condemn something before we even give it the light of day.

We've given Joss Whedon plenty light of day, he squandered all of it.

The only chance this movie has of being good, is if he's got nothing to do with the script, and he has to stick to the script when directing it.

If he gets to interject his own stuff in it, you can forget about this movie being good.
 
3D Master, you're well on record for your dislike of Whedon. Does this thread really need to become the same endless war that every single Whedon based thread turns in to just because you don't like Whedon, and don't think anyone else is justified in liking him either?
 
River Tam is a genetically engineered killing machine with superhuman strength, speed, and agility, designed to kill Reavers. She's a Slayer made by science instead of magic.

Admittedly, I haven't read any of the subsequent comics etc but where does it say that in the show ?

The way Echo fought, yes, but Echo could have defeated him believably if she fought different. Because here's a reality check: he or she who cannot be hit, cannot be beaten. It doesn't matter how strong, large, powerful the opponent is, if they can't hit the other guy or girl, they can't defeat him or her.

Ifs, buts and maybes. She could have beaten him if she'd brought a giant killing laser too.
 
Ms. Marvel, on the other hand, doesn't "punch above her weight". Under normal circumstances, she is capable of lifting around 70 tons. She can augment this further with her energy absorption ability to around 100 tons - making her a Level 11 on the generally agreed upon Marvel scale - a Level 12 is considered "Incalculable".
So Ms. Marvel benefits from superpower inflation, a whim of writers.
 
Ms. Marvel, on the other hand, doesn't "punch above her weight". Under normal circumstances, she is capable of lifting around 70 tons. She can augment this further with her energy absorption ability to around 100 tons - making her a Level 11 on the generally agreed upon Marvel scale - a Level 12 is considered "Incalculable".
So Ms. Marvel benefits from superpower inflation, a whim of writers.

Well, no more so than any other character, though she has undergone some pretty significant power "reboots" over the years. One of her core abilities is energy absorption which she can use to augment her other abilities - superhuman strength, speed, durability and agility, flight, molecular control (which is pretty much limited to transforming her street clothes in to her costume and back again) and she can emit the energy she has absorbed as photonic blasts.

It's not like she's The Sentry - that guy decided that his wife wasn't dead after Ultron murdered her and so she wasn't. Just like that! :eek:
 
I'm a Joss Whedon fan, so I'm happy to see him get a high-profile project like The Avengers. However, given how finnicky Hollywood is and how important this film will be for Marvel, I'm willing to bet $10 that the project ends up undergoing several changes and Joss ends up getting replaced before production ever starts.
 
I'm a Joss Whedon fan, so I'm happy to see him get a high-profile project like The Avengers. However, given how finnicky Hollywood is and how important this film will be for Marvel, I'm willing to bet $10 that the project ends up undergoing several changes and Joss ends up getting replaced before production ever starts.

This is true, too.
 
3DMaster, "my days of taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle".

I stand by what I said regarding Joss, and would also like to point out that Marvel isn't making this decision in a vacuum, nor would they be rushing into it, especially not with their 'magnum opus', which The Avengers definitely is.
 
Ms. Marvel, on the other hand, doesn't "punch above her weight". Under normal circumstances, she is capable of lifting around 70 tons. She can augment this further with her energy absorption ability to around 100 tons - making her a Level 11 on the generally agreed upon Marvel scale - a Level 12 is considered "Incalculable".
So Ms. Marvel benefits from superpower inflation, a whim of writers.

Well, no more so than any other character, though she has undergone some pretty significant power "reboots" over the years.
I don't excuse her runaway power levels just it's happened elsewhere. Commonsense changes would have been OK, like getting rid of that sash so that villains don't grab it during a fight.

Anyway, I hope Ms. Marvel will make it into the movies someday, perhaps as one of the Avengers.
 
^At least her ability changes have been explained in-story - there have been points where she's had no abilities at all.
 
I have no interest in any of the work Whedon has produced in the past. While this news certainly lowers my expectations for the film, which were already low to begin with, I'll probably still end up seeing it. The Avengers was a good book for years.

Just two requests:

1. No so-called witty pop-culture quips.

2. No slayers.
 
I haven't read through the thread but I bet he casts an alum of his as Wasp.

Who sees either Summer or Eliza getting a nod for Wasp?? Could happen.

I like Whedon, fan of each of his series so to me this is great news.
He's directed ensemble casts before, knows pop culture, has written comics and got one as yet to be released film under his belt.
 
I just remember my friend, who is fat, begging me to watch his Firefly DVDs. He told me it would be the next Star Trek. It was a low-budget rip-off of Ice Pirates.
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: "My friend, who is fat..." Your argument is rock solid, no one can beat that. :lol:
 
we should probably wait and see how the Captain America and Thor movies turn out first
How they turn out as movies on their own has no direct bearing on Avengers.
The Avengers script is written by another and directed by another. The only element to be relevant is wheter or not the two Chris' did good jobs in their roles as Thor and Cap.
 
I really can't believe the lengths people will go to in order to defend Josh Wheedon.

Even if Wheedon is good with character development, The Avengers is supposed to be an action movie. Yeah, that's what we want, a superhero ensemble movie where the heroes relate to each other on a deep emotional level instead of using their powers to kick ass.

Some of you say he is a good choice because Favreau also was fairly unknown when he was announced for Iron Man and yet he gave us a great movie. You somehow forget that going into Iron Man, Favreau hadn't directed a steaming pile of turd which bombed at a box office (Serenity) and written the screenplay for another which killed a franchise with Sigourney Weaver as the lead.

Some of you like Whedon because he's (supposedly) a great comic book writer. By that logic, Alex Ross will be directing the eventual Justice League of America movie, right?
 
I really can't believe the lengths people will go to in order to defend Josh Wheedon.

Even if Wheedon is good with character development, The Avengers is supposed to be an action movie. Yeah, that's what we want, a superhero ensemble movie where the heroes relate to each other on a deep emotional level instead of using their powers to kick ass.

As a long time Avengers fan, the best stories from that series have both great action and solid, resonating character work. Else we could just bring a technically adept hack in to direct. Lots of them out there.

And Serenity owned your sorry ass. Don't even try it with the notion that box office success equates to quality. You will lose what shreds of cred you may have left.
 
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