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Joss Whedon in final negotiations to direct "The Avengers"

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I'm excited that Whedon is doing Avengers, but sad that this will no doubt take him away from TV where his particular strengths are more useful. Just how much characterization is going to fit into a two hour action packed movie team based movie with at least four major leads and probably more? Not that much.

But it'll be fun, however limited it is.
 
Regardless of people's individual opinions of Joss Whedon and his work, I would like to point out the following things:
1) He's got experience as a director, writer, and Executive Producer

All of them horrible, except where David Greenwalt force fed him his meds.

2) He has established cred with Marvel, having worked with them on Astonishing X-Men and Runaways, and having contributed story ideas for the ending of the Civil War storyline
Which were horrible. My GOD the ending of Civil War. YAAAARGHH!

3) He has a stellar track record of working with large ensemble casts
No, he doesn't.

His previous work with Marvel would make him a viable candidate just by itself, but when you factor in the other two things, it's not hard at all to see why they might consider hiring him to direct a movie like The Avengers.
I don't care why they consider him to direct any movie, all I know is, he's bad at it. It rather makes Marvel yahoos no better; rather exemplified by their lack of any good comics these days.

So I guess I should ask the inevitable question: Which Avenger is getting killed off, now?

Hawkeye of course. He's only human having no powurz, and thus he doesn't matter. The other Avengers will no doubt tell him too, but unlike a good movie where he proves himself by the end and the other Avengers have to swallow their words, they get proven right and he dies or gets tossed out of the Avengers. The others with powurz, after all, they're speshul and the only ones that matter.

Aka, let's redo Buffy S7, Angel S5 and Buffy S8 comics, yay!

This is my only other concern about this movie as Whedon has a tenancy to have a 110 lb woman take down a man three times her size in his projects.

A demonically enhanced 110lb woman with super strength. Captain America and Ms Marvel punch way above their weight limit as well, and nobody seems to mind.

The only criticism I never got.
 
I'm certainly skeptical about his ability to handle this picture. Serenity at best was a made for tv movie. Sure Whedon can direct an ensemble but so could Joel Schumacher and he gave the world Batman & Robin. I think they'd be better off with somebody who can handle a project with scope. Whedon ain't the guy. He couldn't even figure out Wonder Woman and hot chicks who kick ass is his forte. Avengers is too big for Joss Whedon to handle. Give Avengers to a movie director. Not Joss.
 
A demonically enhanced 110lb woman with super strength. Captain America and Ms Marvel punch way above their weight limit as well, and nobody seems to mind.

The only criticism I never got.

If he puts Ms. Marvel in the movie then I won't be complaining, but so far the only female Avenger we know to be in any of the build up films is Black Widow - an ordinary human woman with no metahuman abilities.

While she has significant hand to hand combat training, she's not going to beat the Hulk or Thor in a fight.

Whedon has a habit of endowing his female characters with unnatural combat abilities. I'm not talking about Buffy here, she has superhuman abilities, I'm talking about River Tam and Echo.

That fight in Dollhouse's "Man on the Street" for instance lasts about 10 seconds in the real world. Echo just isn't a physical threat to a man with Ballard's size and training, no matter what skills you dump in to her brain.

For some reason, as well, Dollhouse chose to purposefully ignore this reality by waiting until the penultimate episode to give such skills to an Active, namely Victor, who could actually use them. I think we all know why Joss does this.

Ms. Marvel, on the other hand, doesn't "punch above her weight". Under normal circumstances, she is capable of lifting around 70 tons. She can augment this further with her energy absorption ability to around 100 tons - making her a Level 11 on the generally agreed upon Marvel scale - a Level 12 is considered "Incalculable".
 
Didn't River have some type of superhuman abilities as well? It's been quite a while since I saw Firefly/Serenity, but I thought she was given abilities when she was in that Alliance center. I could be wrong.
 
^She had no such abilities. They gave her hand to hand combat training, that's all.

No matter how well a 100lb girl is trained to punch, she's still not hurting a man twice her size.
 
And, Jackson, SCC was a shitty show. And you know it. Now you're just reaching.

So I can't like a show now without it seeming like I am "reaching"? Ever heard of a "different opinion"?


Of course. But, Jackson, you seem to have a tendency to warp your opinions in order to make them fit your points better. I don't for a second believe that you really think T:SCC was a good show. You're just saying it to give better weight to your point. I can forgive you because I know Josh is your hero, and I've done the same for Spike Lee in the past.

I still can't believe they are considering giving this movie to a guy whose best recent effort was directing an episode of Glee. We are so doomed.

I just remember my friend, who is fat, begging me to watch his Firefly DVDs. He told me it would be the next Star Trek. It was a low-budget rip-off of Ice Pirates.
 
^His name is Joss, not Josh.

^She had no such abilities. They gave her hand to hand combat training, that's all.

No matter how well a 100lb girl is trained to punch, she's still not hurting a man twice her size.

River had telepathic abilities, which, given a few scenes in "Out of Gas", presumably included limited precognition. If she can sense what an enemy was going to do before he did it, and had the reflexes to act on that sense, this would be a massive advantage in hand-to-hand. It doesn't matter how strong the enemy is or how weak she is if every strike of hers lands and every strike of the enemy's does not.

Actually, there's a character in one of the Star Trek series----the TNG relaunch, IIRC----who has basically the same thing and uses it as effectively.
 
Michelle Trachtenberg as someone who beats up Iron Man, Captain America, Nick Fury, Hulk and Thor at the same time single-handedly without breaking a sweat or using weapons?

I'll pay extra to see that in 3D, thanks. :lol:

I mean, it's got "Hulk smash!" and hammer-throwing beat all to hell. :techman:
 
well this is interesting; particularly because they've been building up Avengers since Iron Man in 2008...
 
River had telepathic abilities, which, given a few scenes in "Out of Gas", presumably included limited precognition. If she can sense what an enemy was going to do before he did it, and had the reflexes to act on that sense, this would be a massive advantage in hand-to-hand. It doesn't matter how strong the enemy is or how weak she is if every strike of hers lands and every strike of the enemy's does not.

Sure, but telepathic abilities do not strengthen the bones in her hand or the muscles in her arms. She would come away from a lot of fights just as badly hurt as her opponent.
 
River had telepathic abilities, which, given a few scenes in "Out of Gas", presumably included limited precognition. If she can sense what an enemy was going to do before he did it, and had the reflexes to act on that sense, this would be a massive advantage in hand-to-hand. It doesn't matter how strong the enemy is or how weak she is if every strike of hers lands and every strike of the enemy's does not.

Sure, but telepathic abilities do not strengthen the bones in her hand or the muscles in her arms. She would come away from a lot of fights just as badly hurt as her opponent.

Eh, that's true of almost every Hollywood fight though.

"They say, never hit a man with a closed fist....but it is on occasion hilarious."
 
All in all, I say give him a chance. People got to start somewhere right. And if Marvel feels like he can handle the job, give him that chance. BtVS was pretty much his only show that didn't get axed prematurely by Fox, some would say it stayed around longer than it should have, but if he gets the gig, we'll see how it turns out. This could possibly turn out to be a really good thing. It will be Whedon-ized storytelling, but with a bigger budget and really talented actors to back it. The biggest he's ever worked with, I'm sure. Or it will be a horrible blunder the world has ever witnessed. I actually think i started coming to these boards back in 2003 because of BtVS and anything Trek, but yeah.
 
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