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Jodie Whittaker is the 13th Doctor

I'm not excusing it. I am curious how it is allowed? I would think their would be laws against showing nude photo's of people in newspapers without their consent? What is the British version of what we in America would call the "Freedom of the Press?"

Jason
They're screenshots from roles which featured on-screen nudity, which they consented to in the first place, the like of The Scum and The Fail Online are just basically reprinting them to go "hey, look, boobs are apparently news"...
 
Well a lot of us just thought Olivia Colman because she's a quirky, award winning actress equally at home with drama or comedy. But then I've only seen one episode of Broadchurch which was the final episode of S3 and despite the subject matter I'll be honest, I found it hard to take seriously down to Colman's west country accent, which just kept reminding me of her role in Hot Fuzz!

Yeah, that was a bit presumptuous on my part, I should've said it might've contributed but I made it sound like that was the only reason people were throwing Colman in the pot. I should familiarize myself with some of her work. The quirky factor you mention is one of my questions with Whittaker.
 
When Voyager was announced they said from the start that they were going to have a woman as the captain. They then only announced who'd been cast much later. Same with Discovery. Your analogy makes no sense because even if they'd cast Whittaker the exact moment Capaldi announced his departure it would still be over a year before her first episode airs. If they'd said earlier on that they were going to have a female Doctor then a lot of the hysterics would be over by the time Whittaker signed on and it would be easier to focus entirely on her casting rather than the fact that the Doctor was going to be a woman.
And certain types of fans still, to this day, make 'first woman captain and she gets the ship lost' jokes about Voyager, or 'they let Troi drive and she crashed the ship' jokes and with Discovery they are complaining about SJWs and feminists ruining "cuck" Trek.
 
Just a idea but what if they made no statements at all why they chose who they chose beyond the basic, we like her acting skills and so forth. People don't always need to explain their choices. If at some point you do need to talk about the character simply talk about what the character is going to bring to the show from a artistic point of view. Leave all the political backlash to the people yelling at each other on the internet and try and stay above it.

Jason
 
I'm pretty sure that Cameca wouldn't have assumed she was being proposed to if a female Doctor had offered her a cup of cocoa in "The Aztecs"...
That's based on another character's perception of the Doctor, nothing to do with the Doctor's behaviour, etc.

To me the phrase "been written as specifically male" as used here seems synonymous with "been written as exclusively male", as being written as tied to that gender across regenerations, but @MadeIndescribable is free to correct me if I got it wrong.
That's what I meant. In fact if anything, I'd say the Doctor more closely resembles modern interpretations of Wonder Woman (avoiding fighting at all costs, trying to get others to do the same, seeing the best in humanity) than the likes of Captain America of Thor (don't necessarily go in swinging, but are trained as soldiers and will generally solve things physically).
 
They're screenshots from roles which featured on-screen nudity, which they consented to in the first place, the like of The Scum and The Fail Online are just basically reprinting them to go "hey, look, boobs are apparently news"...

If they consented I guess their is not much that can be done other boycott anything that runs those pics. Well that or protest their places of business. I wonder if you can nail them for making any money off those photo's. If someone tried to run a movie on youtube for example and they didn't have the rights they would be shut down. Not sure how screenshots are seen by the law.

Jason
 
If they consented I guess their is not much that can be done other boycott anything that runs those pics. Well that or protest their places of business.
Alot of people do boycott them, but they're still among the best sellers :(
Not sure how screenshots are seen by the law.
I'm guessing under a fair use review policy. Technically even just saying "phwaor, hasn't she got nice tits", that counts as a review...
 
Not sure how screenshots are seen by the law.

Jason

It probably comes under fair use. If you're writing a review of a movie and use a screen grab for illustrative purposes, the studios are unlikely to unleash their lawyers, especially if you have a disclaimer recognising that the image is the property of the studio and is copyrighted.
 
I think the thing I'm finding annoying now is all the SJWs writing articles about the casting of the new Doctor. Probably people who have never watched the show in the first place.
I think the thing I'm finding annoying right now is all the people who think the term SJW is something to beat people over the head with. All it actually does is make the person using it look a little silly.
 
I think the thing I'm finding annoying now is all the SJWs writing articles about the casting of the new Doctor. Probably people who have never watched the show in the first place.

Help me out here. How does saying that someone is in favour of treating all people equally and with common decency work as an insult? I've never been able to work that one out.
 
Yeah, I read the inane, word-salad response you linked to, and the entirety of my argument stands.
Dude, I'm not going to speculate on the device used by someone to write a wall of badly structured text to justify their own bigotry and mask it in in terms of faux psychology.

If you really want me to take that post seriously then I'll do so as a mental health professional, not a sci fi fan. If she really is attaching herself to a fictional character to the point she feels some imagined family dynamic has been disrupted and thus had a knock on effect on her as a child of that family then the question is not "who should be the next doctor", it should be how best she should seek out help for her issues.

The BBC makes shows to educate and entertain, it's in their charter. Doctor Who does both. They do not take responsibility for the mental health of an entire nation every time they make a casting choice.....

On the other hand it is possible the attachment issues with her "dad" stem more from the fact he seemingly fathered her with his own granddaughter, subsequently expected her to accept 20 plus attractive young women as "mum", developed a tendency to disappear for years at a time (fifteen on one occasion) and never settled in one place, literally calling a different planet "home" each week.

If after all that she still accepts him as a stable father figure I'm sure she can forgive a sex change on top.....

Again, she's not the only one...

And yes, your point is taken.
 
Social Justice Warrior just sounds like a fucking awesome superhero(ine).

"Oh, you're a misogynist? *pow*"

"Hey, stop racially abusing those kids! *krak*"

"C'mon, pal - Naziism? *twunt*"

"Don't call white folk honkies, we're all the same species... yes, I know there's a Senator pushing a Mutant Powers Act... *kerfuffle*"
 
"Some people just hate change"

Then, again, they should have left with Hartnell. Who the Doctor is has changed THIRTEEN FUCKING TIMES. Looks, personality, wardrobe, age, height, body mass, sanity level, everything about the Doctor has ALWAYS changed.

No, it's not JUST change they hate, it's a very specific change relating solely to gender. And that has a name.

Oh, and being opposed to change just because it's change? That's not being conservative. That's cowardice.
 
The French news site Le Monde has a nice opinion piece supporting a female doctor:
http://seriestv.blog.lemonde.fr/2017/07/18/edito-pourquoi-doctor-who-doit-etre-une-femme

Basically, the article gives 5 arguments for having a female doctor:
1) For the series itself
Doctor Who is fundamentally about change so having a female doctor fits the DNA of the show.
2) To go with the times
In 2017, we now have male and female heroes so keeping the doctor a male hero would be anachronistic at this point.
3) To go beyond traditional male and female gender stereotypes.
Having a female doctor that might sometimes act in masculine ways will get people thinking about gender stereotypes and how a lot of them are merely cultural.
4) To combat mysogeny
Why not a female doctor? Mysogeny in geek culture should be denounced. Men should not be afraid of a female hero.
5) For the courage of changing
Fans are not guardians of some sacred orthodoxy. True courage is being able to accept change.
 
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