JJ's era and excess if not unfair blame on Rian Johnson

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  1. Gaith

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    Prince of Persia, John Carter, Alice 2, Tomorrowland, The Lone Ranger, The Nutcracker and the Four Kingdoms, A Wrinkle in Time... Seems to me that, apart from the Pirates franchise, Disney's adventure film output is in dire need of rescue. :p

    Obviously; I'm just saying I'd have more respect for Kennedy as a producer/studio boss if she were doing anything more than mere Star Wars franchise maintenance. Disney didn't buy Marvel for virtually unknown characters like the GotG or Carol Danvers, but Marvel Studios under Kevin Feige made them huge hits anyhow.

    Yes, three of the four movies she's overseen made a lot of money, but TLJ made 65% of TFA, Solo made 39% of Rogue One, and now the studio won't be releasing a new movie for three whole years. Moreover, given that Abrams basically spent two whole Trek movies auditioning/practicing for TFA, making his hiring the most obvious choice in the world (after Spielberg said no), I don't give her enormous credit for that selection. Ergo, IMHO, it's fair to call her management of Lucasfilm thus far a mixed bag, given the enormous advantages (decades-long OT franchise nostalgia, returning actors, 10 years without a major SW movie) she inherited.
     
  2. fireproof78

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    Sequels making less is not unusual, and Solo's failings were owned up by Iger and Kasdan. So, Kennedy's tenure has been successful from a money standpoint, otherwise Disney would be asking for a resignation.

    Regardless of Internet speculation and quarterbacking she clearly still has their confidence.
     
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  3. Awesome Possum

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    I did, autocorrect got me.
     
  4. JD

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    Oh yeah, I'm not positive, but I believe she was already considered one of the most successful producers in Hollywood before she joined Lucasfilm.
     
  5. JirinPanthosa

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    Nobody killed Star Wars. Considering they have decades unrealistic fan expectations and a demanding fan base who will not be happy with anything but the continuation they imagined in their heads all this time they did remarkably well. And Last Jedi was awesome.

    The criticism for handling of Luke has some good points. But Last Jedi set it up forever so the force can survive without the Skywalker bloodline and that is awesome.

    THEY UNDID THE DAMAGE TO THE FORCE DONE BY MITOCHLORIAMS!
     
  6. Set Harth

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    The Force never required the Skywalker bloodline to survive. No such thing was ever established anywhere. The very notion is nonsensical.

    There was no damage... which means The Last Jedi did nothing.
     
  7. JirinPanthosa

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    False. Mitochlorians turned the force from a cool zen thing to bacteria in your blood. And yes, the first six movies did imply the story was all about the Skywalker line.

    Last Jedi is the third best Star Wars film. And Looper and Brick are awesome.
     
  8. Set Harth

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    Nope, fake news. Midichlorians aren't the Force and change precisely nothing about the Force.

    Whatever that's supposed to mean, you said the Force being able to survive without Skywalkers is something set up by TLJ. That's utter nonsense.

    Here's a list of six movies that all feature non-Skywalkers using the Force:

    Star Wars ( aka ANH, Episode IV )
    The Empire Strikes Back
    Return of the Jedi
    The Phantom Menace
    Attack of the Clones
    Revenge of the Sith
     
  9. JD

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    All the Midichlorians do is help people communicate with the Force, they are not the Force itself.
    And The Force has been for millennia, while the Force connected Skywalker bloodline has only been around about 50 of 60 years, so I don't where they idea that it can't exist without them comes from. It existed long before Anakin was born, and will exist long after Kylo and any potential descendants he has are gone. As long as the universe exists then the Force will probably exist.
     
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  10. RandyS

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    They killed Han Solo and Luke Skywalker.

    They killed Star Wars.
     
  11. BillJ

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    Star Wars is a drama?! Who knew?!
     
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  12. RandyS

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    What does that have to do with what I said? I honestly don't understand.
    :shrug:
     
  13. BillJ

    BillJ History’s Greatest Monster Premium Member

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    You're complaining about them killing off characters. Sometimes that happens in drama.
     
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    Seeing as the only thing that required was to never mention the damn things again, I'm not terribly impressed.

    And I definitely could have done without hearing Luke call Palps "Darth Sidious" instead of "The Emperor."
     
  15. RandyS

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    Yeah, but in this case it was killing off the white men. That only happens today. And even if that weren't the only reason (which it was), Han and Luke were the series original heroes and deserve better.
     
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    By the end of the OT, all of the mentor characters that helped Luke along his way were gone. Luke fought the final battle alone. A similar thing seems to be happening here in the ST with Rey's mentors. But, no, let's expect all of the characters to live forever just because they're white men? Am I getting that right?
     
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  17. RandyS

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    No, you're not. They were killed in the first place because they were white men. No other reason. That's why I laugh when people wonder if Lando will be killed off in 9. He won't. He's protected.

    And pointing out that all the PT characters were killed off is a useless argument. We knew going in that they were going to die from dialog in the OT. It's not the same thing at all.
     
  18. Nyotarules

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    We all know White men can't die...er I mean jump
     
  19. RandyS

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    This white man certainly can't.
     
  20. Campe98

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    LOL... No.

    Also, that's not at all what I said. You didn't know that Yoda and Obi-Wan were going to die in the OT. That's what I'm talking about. I didn't even mention PT in my post.
     
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