Well they, like TOS are action adventure stories. So no surprise there.
JJ Abrams confirms ST4 and not recasting Chekov
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TOS had action and adventure but those were really the skeleton on which the thoughtful discourse built around. TOS was always more about ideas about humanity that "just" a western in outer space. Besides, they didn't have the budget for endless action the way the movies do today.
Outside of Quinto and Urbans portrayals, none of the characters would suffer any by being recast, Chekov, Sulu and Scott particularly so.
It's a tragedy what happened to Yelchin, but Chekov ? Send him off to The Reliant for Trek IV, then bring him back with a new face for Trek V...
It's a tragedy what happened to Yelchin, but Chekov ? Send him off to The Reliant for Trek IV, then bring him back with a new face for Trek V...
If a real human audience can accept the concept of a fictional Federation that contains beings with pig like features, people with blue skin and antenna on their heads then they can accept seeing them as part of the main crew. After all a racist driven 1960's USA watched a tv show with a black woman on the bridge not serving tea and a real Asian actor playing an Asian role. And the audience survived the experience to this present day.
How is helmsman of a starship an "Asian role"? He was an Asian actor manning a console, but there was very little to nothing "Asian" about the role.
No it was an Adult Western in outer space. One of the inspirations for the show were the Adult Westerns the appeared in the 50 and early 60s: Gunsmoke, Bonanza and Have Gun Will Travel. Roddenberry wanted to do for SF what those shows did for Westerns. Move it out of the "for kids" territory of Rocky Jones and Tom Corbett. The Adult Westerns also tackled ideas about humanty but also gave us a healthy dose of action, gun fights and chases. That's the format Star Trek aspired to.
From the 1967 Writer's Guide
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In summary:
Action adventure. Say something but entertain. Fast pace.
Sounds very familiar .
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Asian characters were played by white actors back in the day. The job itself is not Asian but the character is.
He both is and isn't, in a way. Here's how the series Writer's Guide described Sulu:
Why does everyone want unused footage/CG duplicate of Anton Yelchin incorporated into the movie. I could understand the CG duplicate if he had been killed while the movie was still being filmed, but that's not the case. Besides, an off-hand reference to Chekov being on the Reliant is all that's needed. Unused footage or a duplicate of Yelchin in the next movie is as unnecessary, unwanted, and unwelcome as having footage or a duplicate of Nimoy in Beyond would have been.
In fact, isn't the fact that Sulu isn't a stereotypical Asian one of the things that appeals to Takei?
A lot of that never came though in TOS or the movies. A character like that could really be played for comedy.
I have to wonder if that was written after The Man Trap and Shore Leave.
It isn't that he needs to be stereotypical, just that there's nothing at all about the character being Asian. They didn't make him Asian at all, so the character could've been played by Vanilla White Guy #47 without missing a beat.
I believe he became Asian when the Network asked for more non white characters. The character wasn't even a helmsman in the second pilot, he was a physicist. I wonder if the part would have been bigger if Sulu remained a Science Officer?
Since when did I become everyone? I just re-read this entire thread and as far as I can tell, nobody except me suggested using unused footage of Anton to give Chekov a proper send off and to honor him by using footage that nobody would normally have seen before.....and....nobody sure as hell suggested using a CG duplicate. Are you in the wrong thread?
Unnecessary, unwanted and unwelcome by who....you? So now you've become everyone?
If they don't want to re cast, thats up to them. Bringing in a whole number of navigation officers that have taken the chair, Ilyia, Savik (though she'd be 5 at the time!) and just say he went to the reliant, or back to the academy. Checkov has been around the whole time, but he has been replaced a whole lot to, he will be missed.
That thought had occurred to me, and the copy from which that capture was taken is indeed the third revision, dated April 17, 1967. How much it differs from the earlier versions, I don't know.
Heh, this thread sure is getting crowded, all of a sudden.Since when did I become everyone? I just re-read this entire thread and as far as I can tell, nobody except me suggested using unused footage of Anton to give Chekov a proper send off and to honor him by using footage that nobody would normally have seen before.....and....nobody sure as hell suggested using a CG duplicate. Are you in the wrong thread?
Unnecessary, unwanted and unwelcome by who....you? So now you've become everyone?
(Just a hunch: The Wormhole may not have intended that his remarks be taken entirely seriously.)
Well, there was that bit where Sulu dreams up a samurai while on the 'short leave' planet. This plays into his Japanese heritage. If Sulu was a white guy and a samurai was dreamed up, I would expect the episode to tell us why that happened for that particular character.
Unused footage and CG duplicates have been popular ideas in all the many threads since Yelchin's death. It was brought up here, I asked a question.
You're right, my post is filled with exaggerations and inaccurate generalizations, which leads us to:
090% of the time my posts aren't meant to be take seriously. The other 010% is when I post about leading zeroes, of which I loath.
White guys aren't allowed to like Samurais?
(throws out his katana)
