Jeri slams Chakotay/7

[HoneyBLilly]

^^^

Exactly right.


Some women were angry. Some dropped it quick, others took longer, and others . . . . only just finally came around

The new video I'm making is my personal penance for being so mean to Seven in the past. I hope she knows we're total bros now.

I can't wait to see it.


I have a video "planned" that's kind of mean to Seven. Not intentionally, I just couldn't resist the song and having it about Janeway and B'Elanna didn't seem right. So Seven it became.

 

[HoneyBLilly]

^^^

Exactly right.


Some women were angry. Some dropped it quick, others took longer, and others . . . . only just finally came around

Your lot weren't the ones being controlled like dogs.

Which lot was that?

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

^^^

Exactly right.


Some women were angry. Some dropped it quick, others took longer, and others . . . . only just finally came around

The new video I'm making is my personal penance for being so mean to Seven in the past. I hope she knows we're total bros now.

I'm looking forward to that froot!

I fell in love with 7 right away, with her whole tragic storyline. I've always defended her against the sarcasm. For a long time she was my most beloved Trek character.

 

[Guy Gardener]

^^^

Exactly right.


Some women were angry. Some dropped it quick, others took longer, and others . . . . only just finally came around

Your lot weren't the ones being controlled like dogs.

Which lot was that?

Why "men" of course.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

You see Honey apparently Men are all nothing but backbrain pack animals when it comes to the sight of BOOBS under shiny fabric.

 

[HoneyBLilly]

If I said that my blonde was starting to come back would you believe me?



Actually it was coming back, I killed that.

And no, I do not really believe blonde's are stupid. Unless you're my sister, but she's the exception.

 

[Guy Gardener]

You see Honey apparently Men are all nothing but backbrain pack animals when it comes to the sight of BOOBS under shiny fabric.

Yup.

but I wouldn't say "all" men.

The more sophisticated the man the more sophisticated the honeytrap has to be. The more sophisticated the man the more insulting the less sophisticated honey trap is.

(Replace "sophisticated" with "lazy", "bored" or "tired" if you find it more believable. But marketeers and assholes in PR were profiling us and it's insulting that this is the tailored ideal they came up with. SHINY BOOBIES!)

The media blitz about the new character was almost gutter level soft porn.

but once we got past all that, and her bottom and boobies were given a personality to justify their spotlighting, I found her overall as a complete person quite pleasant.

but she was brought in because the cast as it stood "sucked".

I might say the same about Ronin from Stargate Atlantis. Sexy action guy brought in to replace boring virgin. Poor Rainbow.

(I saw Ronin's naked bottom on game of Thrones last night.)

Did any of the women here find Hawk from Buck Rogers sexy, because he was certainly brought in AMP the sex and violence in the show after they decided to up the ante and pull in more audience with a complete overhaul.

Then there's "Marcus" from Babylon 5. God I hated how sexy (I observed constant fricking swooning!) all the women I made watch Babylon 5 found him. Men too. I still need to destroy Marcus for polluting my most favourite science fiction with a hostile sexual atmosphere.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

You see Honey apparently Men are all nothing but backbrain pack animals when it comes to the sight of BOOBS under shiny fabric.

Then there's "Marcus" from Babylon 5. God I hated how sexy (I observed constant fricking swooning!) all the women I made watch Babylon 5 found him. Men too. I still need to destroy Marcus for polluting my most favourite science fiction with a hostile sexual atmosphere.

Marcus Cole was a virgin with a puppy dog crush on the hottest character of Babylon 5.

This is not sexy. People who think think this is sexy are just not paying attention.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Exactly!

People who think/claim Scifi is all about sex are outsiders and tourists.

(I only spend so much time trying to claim that Star Trek is about sex because it so blatantly and hilariously clearly isn't.)

It's the English accent.

The English accent is cheating.

Claudia got her own ship on a show calld Starhyke. which was ridiculously bad. Hasselhoff bad.

 

[exodus]

Why would you take something like that personal?
Sci-fi is FULL of women using sex appeal to promote it.

Gene Roddenberry liked sex & sexuality so much, he approved "The Naked Time". Like it so much in fact, he brought it back in "The Naked Now". Out of all the TOS ep. to revisit, he did the one where everyone has an orgy before they die. Who approved Riza? Does nobody see how a women in a catsuit fits flawlessly into this universe?

Yes, he did. And Seven does fit into that universe rather nicely. But that's just it. Trek had so much of that already. I would also argue that sex and sexuality is different than marketing a woman-child in a sausage casing as a sex object for ratings. She was compelling in the show, and besides the catsuit, she ended up being really cool and not much about the boobies at all. But in photoshoots and ads? Holy hell. What the hell were they trying to say by sexing up a woman who was a child at heart for all the ads and promos? That's not... weird? Anime has a ton of woman-child characters like that. It gets sorta old and it's a bit creepy.

At least the other jumpsuited Trek ladies were mature women in control of their own sexuality.

Women have been represented like ass in sci-fi, comics, and video games forever. There's been some cool ones, and hot chicks are great and all, but it's nice when there's a little change of pace, and Voyager was that change of pace. That's why a lot of ladies got rather angry when they seemed to backtrack.

Thankfully, Seven was a cool character in the end. And she is totally beautiful. No one's disputing that. But that's why some of the female fans felt the way they did. I can't speak for KM. But the way they marketed her is why I was mad for a while.

So who's fault is it that the majority of sci-fi/fantasy is run by men? Men have always been drawn to sci-fi stronger than women. So, men run the industry. You're asking men to know and understand what women want. They make sitcoms out of that scenario because it's one ofthe great mysteries of the universe.

If you want change, then one of your gender is going to have to step up and make it because advertising too us is T&A. (Hey, I'm not trying to sugar coat it and pretend that we are always gentlemen. I think many of you ladies already know what a bullshit lie that is. We think with our penis' ALL THE TIME.)

The more sophisticated the man the more sophisticated the honeytrap has to be. The more sophisticated the man the more insulting the less sophisticated honey trap is.

.....unless he's way on business.

Sophisticated man is also not thinking about sophisticated honey trap while they're having sophisticated sex either.

 

[lurok]

Men have always been drawn to sci-fi stronger than women...If you want change, then one of your gender is going to have to step up and make it...

I take your general point, and clearly men dominate field, but just a few names off top of head:
Sherry Lansing (former CEO of Paramount)
DC Fontana
Jeri Taylor
Jane Espenson
Judith Reeves-Stevens
Lisa Klink
Irene Shubik
and of course Verity Lambert, who produced and had a strong guiding hand in Dr Who and Adam Adamant Lives

...and I'm sure there'll be others

 

[exodus]

Men have always been drawn to sci-fi stronger than women...If you want change, then one of your gender is going to have to step up and make it...

I take your general point, and clearly men dominate field, but just a few names off top of head:
Sherry Lansing (former CEO of Paramount)
DC Fontana
Jeri Taylor
Jane Espenson
Judith Reeves-Stevens
Lisa Klink
Irene Shubik
and of course Verity Lambert, who produced and had a strong guiding hand in Dr Who and Adam Adamant Lives

...and I'm sure there'll be others

My point is, all those names didn't stop a woman from being put into a catsuit and used to promote the show. The industry only recently, due to shows like Voyager & Xena considers woman as a new profitable market.

 

[Guy Gardener]

In one of Michael Moores books he claims that people in power, their identities are often prioritized wrong. That perhaps the repercussions of 911 would have worked out better if it was gauged that 911 was organized by a Billionaire and not a Muslim.

Imagine how safe the world would be today if the US military had hunted down and locked up all the billionaires in the last months of 2001?

I really don't think the decision makers junk at this level factors in much.

Writers tell stories true to themselves and their junk.

Producers target specific demographics to sell blocks of ad-space by purchasing the scripts the believe best identifies with their desired audience.

Can you see the difference?

 

[Trek_princess]

I never liked Chakotay/7 either. I think I might have posted this somewhere before. It just didn't make sense. I'm usually all for the romantic couplings, but only if they develop plausibly along the lines of the characters and the show's plot. I think the EMH or Harry would have been a more interesting choice if they wanted to pair her off.

 

[Guy Gardener]

She should have started with HoloMark and then accepted there's no reason to go it half assed when you're pulling tail...

HoloRiker.

 

[Lord Manitou]

You're correct. Seven's stance didn't change much in time following her affair with Harry building the astro-metrics lab. And today she's one of the few characters who looks and feels the same about her role.
I am still delving into ways to fully appreciate her