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[exodus]

So Kate gets to be the bad guy because Garrett likes to tell tales that even have his fellow cast mates go "Huh?" and because she wasn't friends with a co-worker, is that really uncommon?

I wasn't friends with the Weather Girl at our station.

There's a nurse my husband works with that he can't stand.

Did you and your husband make the working environment uncomfortable for all your other co-workers due to it? Was the rest of your co-workers jobs decreased due to your feud over wanting more or equal working hours as the person you don't like?

If you're answer is "No", then that's the difference.

We witnessed the results when the cast went from a full ensemble and everyone having fairly equal parts, to only 3 cast members being prominately featured.

The whole cast, except Garrett, has nothing but nice things to say about Kate.

Only this once does anyone ever say something negative.

So yeah, I believe Garrett was making things up to get attention. People do it all of the time.

Mulgrew apologized at a Con. about her treatment toward Jeri Ryan while the show was in production.
If Mulgrew did nothing negative, what's she apologizing for?

It's Hollywood, these folks are actors.
Pretending & putting up false fronts is what they do for a living.
If Garrett is slandering Mulgrew's reputation, you don't find it odd she's not denoucing him or denying it?
They both show up at Cons. together smiling in each others faces.

 

[{ Emilia }]

The whole cast, except Garrett, has nothing but nice things to say about Kate.

Isn't that the standard on like every tv show or movie? Everybody saying nice things about each other cause it's part of the code of conduct, the promotion campaign or whatever?
Even when the atmosphere on set was absolute rubbish. I hope you're not saying you're buying most of the PR spin.

Sorry, but if you compare the statements of the TNG cast about the atmosphere (or the DS9 cast) to what the Voy cast says I think there's a big difference in how enthusiastic they sound.

 

[lurok]

Mulgrew apologized at a Con. about her treatment toward Jeri Ryan while the show was in production.
If Mulgrew did nothing negative, what's she apologizing for?

It does appear KM wasn't overly happy about Ryan's introduction, but got on with it and arguably developed a (grudging?) respect once she saw what she could do. I think it says something good about her that she could apologize in hindsight. As for other shows, I've never bought into the TNG kumbaya happy crew (even if it's true) and from what I've read Brooks wasn't a happy bunny on DS9...

 

[froot]

I recall KM dropping a few sort-of-bitchy barbs here and there in early interviews regarding Jeri.

At the time, I was cheering her ass on, LOL. I was pissed over what happened. But, I got over it. It seems like she did too.

Wang's interview sounds like Days of Our Lives, though. I exaggerate when I bitch about work, too. I take it with a grain of salt (that goes for all the happy stories, too.)

EDIT: As is usual, the truth is likely somewhere in the middle.

 

[lurok]

Also (apropos of nothing) wasn't Stewart considered an uptight, pompous, full-of-himself ass until Frakes etc got him to lighten up? I just cite this as example of people changing perceptions and having perceptions changed during course of working on show.

 

[HoneyBLilly]

I heard that too.


I also heard that he said something just slightly racist and it damaged his relationship with Michael Dorn and LeVar Burton.

 

[froot]

Is there a workplace out there that isn't full of BS and politics and That Guy You Don't Like?

Humans have a hard time working in groups.

 

[lurok]

I heard that too.


I also heard that he said something just slightly racist and it damaged his relationship with Michael Dorn and LeVar Burton.

You didn't just hear it, HBL. Stewart fesses up to it on camera on one of the season DVDs (I think it might be the season 7 look-back at TNG); says he was in wrong (a casual remark he didn't realise); respected LeVar and Dorn for taking him - the 'star' of show - up on it, and grew new respect and appreciation because of it.

 

[HoneyBLilly]

Is there a workplace out there that isn't full of BS and politics and That Guy You Don't Like?

Humans have a hard time working in groups.

Agreed.

Weather Girl!

I heard that too.


I also heard that he said something just slightly racist and it damaged his relationship with Michael Dorn and LeVar Burton.

You didn't just hear it, HBL. Stewart fesses up to it on camera on one of the season DVDs (I think it might be the season 7 look-back at TNG); says he was in wrong (a casual remark he didn't realise); respected LeVar and Dorn for taking him - the 'star' of show - up on it, and grew new respect and appreciation because of it.

I never actually watched the TNG DVD extras . . . . Maybe I should . . .

 

[lurok]

Uhmmmm...that's actually one of the only few good bits of all the DVD extras I've watched so I'd be tempted to say don't bother. But seriously, the season 7 ones are quite good - Sirtis going through wardrobe is hilarious; talking about push-up bras and restraining pants. She is funny.

 

[HoneyBLilly]

She is quite funny

I normally don't watch the extras at all.

I haven't seen any of Voyager's extras.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Haven't watched the interview yet (assuming it is in this thread somewhere) as I'm just running around on my morning coffee before leaving here but.. what a cliche for everyone when the producers bring in this completely Barbie looking actress into what is supposed to be a solid sci fi show. I would be pissy about that too.

But the fact is Jeri is a wonderful actor, the character is one of the most developed in Trek, the relationship between the character and other main characters is one of Voyager's highlights and Jeri's character, not just her boobs, was one of the best developments in the show.

 

[lurok]

^no disagreement here. But just one final point on KM interviews I've seen and read: she clearly loved as well as respected Lien. And it's apparent in-show and externally. In the same way Brooks loved Cirroc. I think she grew to respect Ryan but it wasn't the same emotional dynamic. But hey...shit happens and plus ça change.

 

[exodus]

Haven't watched the interview yet (assuming it is in this thread somewhere) as I'm just running around on my morning coffee before leaving here but.. what a cliche for everyone when the producers bring in this completely Barbie looking actress into what is supposed to be a solid sci fi show. I would be pissy about that too.

Why?
Why would you take something like that personal?
Sci-fi is FULL of women using sex appeal to promote it.

Gene Roddenberry liked sex & sexuality so much, he approved "The Naked Time". Like it so much in fact, he brought it back in "The Naked Now". Out of all the TOS ep. to revisit, he did the one where everyone has an orgy before they die. Who approved Riza? Does nobody see how a women in a catsuit fits flawlessly into this universe?


Take note, NOBODY else in the cast felt threatened or offended by her.

 

[HoneyBLilly]

exodus are you trying to tell us that you're Garrett Wang in disguise?

 

[froot]

Why would you take something like that personal?
Sci-fi is FULL of women using sex appeal to promote it.

Gene Roddenberry liked sex & sexuality so much, he approved "The Naked Time". Like it so much in fact, he brought it back in "The Naked Now". Out of all the TOS ep. to revisit, he did the one where everyone has an orgy before they die. Who approved Riza? Does nobody see how a women in a catsuit fits flawlessly into this universe?

Yes, he did. And Seven does fit into that universe rather nicely. But that's just it. Trek had so much of that already. I would also argue that sex and sexuality is different than marketing a woman-child in a sausage casing as a sex object for ratings. She was compelling in the show, and besides the catsuit, she ended up being really cool and not much about the boobies at all. But in photoshoots and ads? Holy hell. What the hell were they trying to say by sexing up a woman who was a child at heart for all the ads and promos? That's not... weird? Anime has a ton of woman-child characters like that. It gets sorta old and it's a bit creepy.

At least the other jumpsuited Trek ladies were mature women in control of their own sexuality.

Women have been represented like ass in sci-fi, comics, and video games forever. There's been some cool ones, and hot chicks are great and all, but it's nice when there's a little change of pace, and Voyager was that change of pace. That's why a lot of ladies got rather angry when they seemed to backtrack.

Thankfully, Seven was a cool character in the end. And she is totally beautiful. No one's disputing that. But that's why some of the female fans felt the way they did. I can't speak for KM. But the way they marketed her is why I was mad for a while.

 

[HoneyBLilly]

^^^

Exactly right.


Some women were angry. Some dropped it quick, others took longer, and others . . . . only just finally came around

 

[froot]

^^^

Exactly right.


Some women were angry. Some dropped it quick, others took longer, and others . . . . only just finally came around

The new video I'm making is my personal penance for being so mean to Seven in the past. I hope she knows we're total bros now.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Water finds it's own level.

Every tv series has a level of sexism and sexuality to different degrees unique to itself decided upon by it's producers which tasks the nature of the audience willing to consume this product. They're drawn to a product designed to attract them.

The found audience is neither bored nor insulted by the weight, cheese or porniness of the sexism being used to CONTROL the Audience into continuing to consume the product: IE TV instalments and vhs casets.

TPTB had spent three years gathering the wrong audience to support Jeri Ryans porny wardrobe because it's obviously a device used to manipulate the weak-ER of mind (or strong-ER of loins?) into buying more VHS casets or to plumb a new wealth of couch potatoes unphazed nor attracted by the previous low level of sex in the product. Or at least, the characters supposition of nudity is unsubtle and clumsy compared to the cognition of the assembled audience who don't respond to such raw triggers.

 

[Guy Gardener]

^^^

Exactly right.


Some women were angry. Some dropped it quick, others took longer, and others . . . . only just finally came around

Your lot weren't the ones being controlled like dogs.