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Jennifer Lien status

Certainly but some types of addiction are not too dangerous. My addiction is called Star Trek Voyager ... and I am about to start the show for the 36th time at the weekend ... :D
Now the big question is: would I suffer withdrawals if I had no access to it? And if so, would I suffer physically as well as psychologically? What would be the first signs, I wonder ... :devil:
One could argue that even something like an addiction to a tv show could be dangerous. You could obsess to the point that other aspects of your life suffer. Lets say you just sit and watch and eat nothing but pizza that you have deliverd and only move to greet the delivery guy and to go to the bathroom. Your health would suffer greatly
 
2takesfrakes said:
They're practically that way, already. Having visited people at Old Folks' Homes, myself, let me tell you ...

What you've got there is a bunch of hot nurses who don't feel like doing shit else, all day, but texting their boyfriends and watching TV. So, they'll medicate and sedate the old farts under their care, until they're stoned ... and quiet.

I don't know if you're joking or not...but this is really how it is. I used to know someone who worked in an old folks home and she told stores about it. Also there is a lot of old people sex there. She was constantly finding them in each others beds naked.
Oh, I was completely serious, you have my assurances. I'm witness to the shit. See ... my friend had a relative called Mister "B."(that's what he went by) who was an 18 year old Marine fighting in WWII and I loved the guy - I still do. He was so vital for so long, then he had a mild heart attack and his dementia started kicking in.

His son in law put him in this Old Folk's Home and so me and my friend go to see how Mister B.'s taking all of this in and ... he frigging hates it. He never accepted being there. But yeah, all of these hot nurses were always off playing with their phones, watching TV, outside gossiping ... and otherwise getting out of doing anything useful. There's a buzzer in the rooms, but you still have to go looking for someone, anyway. That pissed me off, more than the rest of it did. But Mister B.'s fate was in the hands of his assholed son-in-law.

I was completely unaware, until reading your post, that these Old Farts in the Home were doing anything sexual, honestly. It must've been the meds they were on, or the dementia, making them believe they're back in 1953, again. Hell, they'd dislocate a hip, or some shit. Where's the sexual turn on? They both look like death. And you can feel the hand of death, as you walk the halls ... everyone not a nurse there is simply waiting to expire. And almost all of them are there against their will. Terrible.
 
One could argue that even something like an addiction to a tv show could be dangerous. You could obsess to the point that other aspects of your life suffer. Lets say you just sit and watch and eat nothing but pizza that you have deliverd and only move to greet the delivery guy and to go to the bathroom. Your health would suffer greatly
That sounds ideal to me ... :biggrin:
Problem is that since I live on my own, if I just sat at home watching VOY, I would run out of money in like two months so I simply couldn't afford to just sit in front of the DVD player watching VOY eating pizza.
Actually, I've often wondered how people do this. It seems that they must be better off than me ... Maybe too much money leads to such addiction?
BTW, I am a real chocolate addict but I've never seen any negative sides to this (other than exhausting my wallet ... :brickwall:).
 
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Not every self-destructive behavior is an addiction. Not every obsession is an addiction.

Why does it matter to be precise. First of all, because so many people battle drug addiction, and others judge them without understanding, assume they can just say no and make better choices. The false equivalencies just add to the misperception. Because while there may be a few seriously disturbed people out there who would let themselves die watching a TV program--people who would deserve compassion and require mental health--almost everyone else could easily stop such an insane behavior, so if that's what passes for addiction in their mind, they don't see why people with addictions can't be more reasonable and stop. But nobody's laced a TV episode with addictive chemicals, then targeted people too young to know better, and hooked them physically regardless of what they want.

It also matters not to call everything an addiction because doing so is a way of shaming mildly unwise behavior by attaching a pejorative label. Some people aren't as active and don't eat as healthy as others. It's their choice, and the people who fat shame them and pat themselves on the back for being fit probably have something else in their lives they could improve. But calling sugar or TV an addiction just gives the fat shamers of the world more ammunition.
 
If you have an addictive personality then anything could be an addiction. Food, sex, video games, a tv show, shopping, drugs, a collection. The word addiction is tossed around casually. Some might say they have an addiction to something because they enjoy it a lot. But it is possible to develop a psychological addiction to anything.
 
Sure, it's possible, but it's not common. There are far more people in the world who don't suffer from serious addictions than people who do, but there are exponentially more people who suffer from drug addictions than people who would truly destroy themselves over a television show or shopping or something like that (and even those people, while psychologically disturbed, are not physically addicted). Equating the small group with the tiny group just adds to the large group's misunderstanding of the small group.
 
I think it's more about magic bullets.

There's something out there (harmful) that you can't quit.

So maybe you'll be lucky enough to never figure out what that is.
 
Sure, it's possible, but it's not common. There are far more people in the world who don't suffer from serious addictions than people who do, but there are exponentially more people who suffer from drug addictions than people who would truly destroy themselves over a television show or shopping or something like that (and even those people, while psychologically disturbed, are not physically addicted). Equating the small group with the tiny group just adds to the large group's misunderstanding of the small group.

It's definitely more harmles to be addicted to, let's say a TV show than drugs because chemical substances in drugs destroys the brain and the body which a TV show doesn't.

If I may refer to my humble person, I must admit that I'm an addict to Star Trek (and certain characters), to NCIS, to a lot of rock bands and to some sports teams but that haven't made me unable to live and behave as a.............well rather normal person.:rommie:

Even in my worst "Kes defending days" when I had some fierce debates with some people on different forums (and even behaved like a complete idiot too, I admit that) I could still have a relationship, interact with friends and relatives and do my job. I mean, I've never went to my workplace and immediately started pestering my colleagues with how bad Kes was treated or so because it would have been ridiculous and most of my colleagues weren't even interested in Star Trek.

The same when it comes to wanting to throw out the TV when my team loses but after 10 minutes of anger I'm back to my nice and humble self, thinking "ah, so what" and looking forward to next game.

Drugs are different because they slowly destroys the brain and body and makes a person incapable to work and interact with other people. OK, it make work for some time but in the long run drugs destroy people, both physically and mentally.

I have been involved in the music business for a while and seen talented people ruin themselves by being lured into drug abuse by the seedy people who hang around celebrities. I've also seen people who have ruined themselves out of sheer stupidity. Fortunately, I've also seen people finding fame and fortune without messing up themselves.

However, I don't condemn or look down on them who have become drug addicts, I really feel sorry for them. But I really admire those who have been down but managed to quit doing drugs and have come back to a normal life again.
 
When VOY discovered Jennifer Lien, she was so beautiful, so talented ... and driven to make it, in Hollywood. All kinds of women flock to that town in droves, desperate to make it, only to end up waiting tables, for years, until they - finally - give up. Whist all of the rest talked a good game, Lien actually did it. Even for the actual job of Kes, there were others she beat out. If only she could find that feeling, once again, that compelled her to achieve the impossible, when it served her ... it would serve her again, now. If there's anything I've learned about people, it's that they all have the ability to surprise in all kinds of unexpected ways ...
 
[sigh]

Not every self-destructive behavior is an addiction. Not every obsession is an addiction.

Why does it matter to be precise. First of all, because so many people battle drug addiction, and others judge them without understanding, assume they can just say no and make better choices. The false equivalencies just add to the misperception. Because while there may be a few seriously disturbed people out there who would let themselves die watching a TV program--people who would deserve compassion and require mental health--almost everyone else could easily stop such an insane behavior, so if that's what passes for addiction in their mind, they don't see why people with addictions can't be more reasonable and stop. But nobody's laced a TV episode with addictive chemicals, then targeted people too young to know better, and hooked them physically regardless of what they want.

It also matters not to call everything an addiction because doing so is a way of shaming mildly unwise behavior by attaching a pejorative label. Some people aren't as active and don't eat as healthy as others. It's their choice, and the people who fat shame them and pat themselves on the back for being fit probably have something else in their lives they could improve. But calling sugar or TV an addiction just gives the fat shamers of the world more ammunition.

As a drug addict, I can tell you it's possible to say no and make better choices. Before you've taken any drugs, it's very easy. After the first time, it's still pretty easy. When you've taken drugs for a while it's hard. When you've taken them multiple times a day, everyday, for years, it's extremely difficult, but still possible. You hear stories about people going cold turkey and braving it out through willpower, which I would say is VERY hard, but even just hitting rock bottom and checking yourself into rehab, which is by no means impossible, is saying no and making better choices.

Also, there are different types of addictions. A drug addiction is a psychological addiction, like gambling, combined with a chemical dependence that strongly reinforces the psychological component while also creating physical symptoms.

Finally, being fat is not mildly unwise but one of the leading causes of death in the Western world by any measure. It is a choice, like you said, in that a majority (at least 51% but almost certainly much more than that) of obese people do not have a medical condition that forces them to be obese. They should make better choices, like drug addicts should, because being fat or a drug addict is bad for you (except that choosing to go to the gym once in a while is a LOT easier than choosing to check into rehab after hitting rock bottom).

Call it "shaming", if you will, but more than a third of my country (America) is clinically obese (which means doctors, not just 'shamers', are advising less fatness on their part) and another third is overweight and at risk of obesity. Almost everybody knows somebody that has died of obesity-related illness. It is no laughing matter. Telling people to be okay with themselves when they have no other choice but to be fat is one thing. But it's irresponsible to tell them to be okay with being fat if they COULD choose a healthy diet and exercise, and live longer, be more active, and be less prone to disease and injury.

I'm one of those who "probably have something else in their lives they could improve" but if my wife, brother, or someone else I cared about became fat even though they had plenty of money and free time to exercise and eat healthy, then I WOULD suggest that they exercise and eat healthy. The fact that I am a drug addict, and that I should try to improve myself, would have absolutely no bearing on the fact that someone else was fat and they should improve THEMSELVES. Two wrongs don't make a right; they make two separate wrongs, each of which still needs to be fixed on its own terms. And for many people, fatness is easier to fix than they think.
 
When VOY discovered Jennifer Lien, she was so beautiful, so talented ... and driven to make it, in Hollywood. All kinds of women flock to that town in droves, desperate to make it, only to end up waiting tables, for years, until they - finally - give up. Whist all of the rest talked a good game, Lien actually did it. Even for the actual job of Kes, there were others she beat out. If only she could find that feeling, once again, that compelled her to achieve the impossible, when it served her ... it would serve her again, now. If there's anything I've learned about people, it's that they all have the ability to surprise in all kinds of unexpected ways ...
There's always hope! :bolian:
 
being fat is not mildly unwise but one of the leading causes of death in the Western world by any measure.
Drinking alcohol or enjoying a cigar is bad for you, but not everyone who drinks or smokes a cigar is an addict, and they should not be vilified as such.

Being above the weight doctors recommend is bad for you, but not every fat person is in serious danger of dying from an obesity-related disease, and they should not be vilified as such.

Many slightly chubby, marginally overweight and even genuinely fat people live to a ripe old age, experiencing no more health problems related to their obesity than others experience for different reasons. Yet, nearly all of those people (I'll go out on a limb and say all of those people), have to live their whole lives with the mean-spirited judgment of a society that values athleticism and physical appearance above just about everything else; from playground bullying to social ostracization in later life to institutionalized forms of societal fat shaming.
 
There's always hope! :bolian:
I'm reminded of a famous poem, where someone has a vision. Looking back on the path of their Life, they see the footprints of Christ beside their own, for the most part. But, then, the author observes, "when things got bad, where were you, Jesus? Look! There's one set of footprints." Only for Him to remind that, "... it was then, that I carried you."
 
Famous poem or bumper sticker?

Jesus has super strength.

It's no big.

Also he's immortal, so why is every one so impressed that he committed suicide?
 
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I'll never mention another poem in this thread!
...................................................I'm put off.
 
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