Jennifer Lien In Legal Trouble Again

[ALF]

Thanks for the link, Karzak.

It's such a shame that with so many of us fans, and with all the love and affection that goes towards Trek celebs - none of it has been able to help Jennifer any. If only there were a way her fans could still reach out to her somehow, know that people care about her and value her. I think, even if you don't know them, it still helps to know you're cared for by someone.

Mental illness is so challenging for all involved. And sadly lacking understanding and treatment, at least in the North American continent (I can't speak for elsewhere).

 

[Captain59]

The mug shot is what gets me. If I saw that without the story I would not in a million years guess it was her. It almost looks like a man. Is that all drug abuse there? Does anyone see any resemblance at all to what she looked like while on Voyager?

 

[ihno]

Btw, why does the police go to her? A letter would not have done the trick? "Please report to the police station, please wear clothes..."

Sorry, but that's funny stuff right there.

I don't know if you refer to the "please wear clothes" part.

If not, please consider the following: I'm not from the United States, so I have some cultural difficulties to understand why somebody, who showed bodyparts in public, has to be arrested by two policemen two days later and actually has to go to PRISON for two weeks.

I admit I had to check the word, since english is a foreign language for me and I hope I chose the correct one: I wanted to refer to the principle of commensurabilty.

And if you (or somebody else) think that citory letters(?) by the police or the court don't work anyway so you better send an arresting-commando right away, you're free to do so. But you should not laugh about people, who think that they do.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

The mug shot is what gets me. [...] Does anyone see any resemblance at all to what she looked like while on Voyager?

Unfortunately, yes, especially in the profile.

The mug shots freak me out, too, by the way.

 

[ihno]

The mug shot is what gets me. [...] Does anyone see any resemblance at all to what she looked like while on Voyager?

Unfortunately, yes, especially in the profile.

The mug shots freak me out, too, by the way.

Don't forget the situation it was taken in.

I guess almost everybody looks bad on mugshots.

 

[SeerSGB]

Btw, why does the police go to her? A letter would not have done the trick? "Please report to the police station, please wear clothes..."

Sorry, but that's funny stuff right there.

I don't know if you refer to the "please wear clothes" part.

If not, please consider the following: I'm not from the United States, so I have some cultural difficulties to understand why somebody, who showed bodyparts in public, has to be arrested by two policemen two days later and actually has to go to PRISON for two weeks.

I admit I had to check the word, since english is a foreign language for me and I hope I chose the correct one: I wanted to refer to the principle of commensurabilty.

And if you (or somebody else) think that citory letters(?) by the police or the court don't work anyway so you better send an arresting-commando right away, you're free to do so. But you should not laugh about people, who think that they do.

Not Prison, county lock up. State and Federal Prison is post trial and they get a judgement on you. County lock up is for those waiting for bail, terms of less than 1 year, and those waiting for trial. 2 weeks isn't that long in county if no one is posting the bail; though why she doesn't get a bailsbondman to do it, I don't know.

And citory letters are not done in TN, I don't know about other states. If they're going it pick up, they come a knocking.

 

[Squiggy]

The mug shot is what gets me. If I saw that without the story I would not in a million years guess it was her. It almost looks like a man. Is that all drug abuse there? Does anyone see any resemblance at all to what she looked like while on Voyager?

Drug abuse + 20 years + not being on a LA diet

 

[SeerSGB]

The mug shot is what gets me. If I saw that without the story I would not in a million years guess it was her. It almost looks like a man. Is that all drug abuse there? Does anyone see any resemblance at all to what she looked like while on Voyager?

Drug abuse + 20 years + not being on a LA diet

+ typically TN diet.

You know how it is down here: If it ain't fried, it ain't cooked. And Harriman is a fastfood hub.

 

[ihno]

Not Prison, county lock up. State and Federal Prison is post trial and they get a judgement on you. County lock up is for those waiting for bail, terms of less than 1 year, and those waiting for trial. 2 weeks isn't that long in county if no one is posting the bail; though why she doesn't get a bailsbondman to do it, I don't know.

And citory letters are not done in TN, I don't know about other states. If they're going it pick up, they come a knocking.

Thanks for the info. Sounds charming.

I'm happy we get letters where I'm from and people usually follow them, even addicts. My bike once was stolen and the police found it, some drug-addict was using it to follow their call and they asked "is that your bike?"

 

[SeerSGB]

Not Prison, county lock up. State and Federal Prison is post trial and they get a judgement on you. County lock up is for those waiting for bail, terms of less than 1 year, and those waiting for trial. 2 weeks isn't that long in county if no one is posting the bail; though why she doesn't get a bailsbondman to do it, I don't know.

And citory letters are not done in TN, I don't know about other states. If they're going it pick up, they come a knocking.

Thanks for the info. Sounds charming.

I'm happy we get letters where I'm from and people usually follow them, even addicts. My bike once was stolen and the police found it, some drug-addict was using it to follow their call and they asked "is that your bike?"

It's get better. Just a year (2?) ago Roane County's jail was facing state desertification for poor conditions and over crowding.

 

[Lynx]

The mug shot is what gets me. If I saw that without the story I would not in a million years guess it was her. It almost looks like a man. Is that all drug abuse there? Does anyone see any resemblance at all to what she looked like while on Voyager?

Drug abuse + 20 years + not being on a LA diet

I just have to sort some things out here.

Her weight has gone dramatically up and down in the last 15 years. I remember some convention picture from 2003 or so where she had gained a lot of weight (and of course some not so nice posters who are not around here now ridiculed her for that).

Then she became very slim again some years after that. I remeber a person who I did have some contact with then who met her at a convention and had a photo taken with her. At that time she looked like she did when she was on Voyager.

Then she obviously gained some weight again, it could be seen on some rather recent convention photos.

She hasn't gained weight since then.

It's the look in her eyes and face that worries me. Not to mention that horrible haircut.

As for drugs or so, I can only state what I found out when I investigated the "changes in season 4". I was told from several sources, among them an employee at Paramount that she wasn't fired for drugs, in fact there were rumors about another actor who there were rumors about before the "changes in season 4".

Optimist as I was then, I believed those sources.

They may have lied to me, I don't know. Or maybe the problems started after she was kicked out.

billcosby wrote:

It's such a shame that with so many of us fans, and with all the love and affection that goes toward those involved in these TV shows in healthy interactions (cons, special events, anniversaries, social media, random meets on the street, etc)... that none of it has been able to help Jennifer any. If only there were a way her fans could still reach out and touch her somehow, know that people care about her and value her. I think, even if you don't know them, it still helps to know you're cared for by someone.

Jennifer hasn't been that eager to interact with her fans.

Once there was a bunch of hard-core Kes/Jennifer Lien fans, most of them gathered at Sai Wong's Kes Internet Support Society site. It was also there the campaign for having Kes re-instated on Star Trek Voyager started, the letter campaign which got a very nasty and offensive reply from those in charge of the show.

Sai Wong did have some contact with Jennifer during some years into this century but I don't know how it is now. There were also a yearly birthday card sent each year but that ended when many of the old fans dissapeared during the recent years.

However, the Kes internet Support Society site is still up even if the activity is low. Not to mention the Kes Website even if it focus more on the character Kes than Jennifer herself

Not to mention that there are many Voyager fans who have expressed their liking of her and her character on different forums during the years.

 

[ihno]

It's get better. Just a year (2?) ago Roane County's jail was facing state desertification for poor conditions and over crowding.

When were those laws made? 1820, before there was a postal service?

But seriously: If almost everybody gets arrested for every petty stuff, no wonder that the prisons (I mean it generally here ) are overcrowded.

I don't think that's a good approach (surprise ). It will make many people only more criminal or increase their problems tenfold.

To me the whole problem starts with the fact, that mugshots are published online. Despite the fact she's a public figure the fact we can see those pictures is a disregard of her personal rights to me.

Originally you had to go to the policestation to see them (which is a problem too in my eyes but there was the little hurdle that you have to invest time). Then they were published as "newspapers" and now they are online so every American can check on their neighbors.

I know an US American. I only know this name and could google his criminal record and even found a conviction of 1989. That's 25 years ago. (I usually don't do that, but he was the kind of "law and order" republican and I wanted to compare speech and reality. )

This system is out of balance. It favors only the "public interest" but forgets that people have individual human rights also. of course if you disregard those rights on such a scale, you destablize public order on the long term.

 

[SeerSGB]

It's get better. Just a year (2?) ago Roane County's jail was facing state desertification for poor conditions and over crowding.

When were those laws made? 1820, before there was a postal service?

But seriously: If almost everybody gets arrested for every petty stuff, no wonder that the prisons (I mean it generally here ) are overcrowded.

I don't think that's a good approach (surprise ). It will make many people only more criminal or increase their problems tenfold.

To me the whole problem starts with the fact, that mugshots are published online. Despite the fact she's a public figure the fact we can see those pictures is a disregard of her personal rights to me.

Originally you had to go to the policestation to see them (which is a problem too in my eyes but there was the little hurdle that you have to invest time). Then they were published as "newspapers" and now they are online so every American can check on their neighbors.

I know an US American. I only know this name and could google his criminal record and even found a conviction of 1989. That's 25 years ago. (I usually don't do that, but he was the kind of "law and order" republican and I wanted to compare speech and reality. )

This system is out of balance. It favors only the "public interest" but forgets that people have individual human rights also. of course if you disregard those rights on such a scale, you destablize public order on the long term.

90% of the time, if you don't cop (no pun) an attitude with them you can walk on most minor things that don't involve theft, drinking, or drugs other than a single joint. Then again,n there are some jurisdictions that love arresting people cashing in excessive fines and bails.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Btw, why does the police go to her? A letter would not have done the trick? "Please report to the police station, please wear clothes..."

Sorry, but that's funny stuff right there.

I don't know if you refer to the "please wear clothes" part.

If not, please consider the following: I'm not from the United States, so I have some cultural difficulties to understand why somebody, who showed bodyparts in public, has to be arrested by two policemen two days later and actually has to go to PRISON for two weeks.

I admit I had to check the word, since english is a foreign language for me and I hope I chose the correct one: I wanted to refer to the principle of commensurabilty.

And if you (or somebody else) think that citory letters(?) by the police or the court don't work anyway so you better send an arresting-commando right away, you're free to do so. But you should not laugh about people, who think that they do.

Just guessing.

There was a 911 call. So the police came immediately. They would have asked Jennifer to report to the station for a talking to, so they could set up a court date to settle her actual punishment or aquittal.

Failure to appear, so that the fuzz actually had to go get her and then she resisted arrest. Not violently. But verbal threats in America are considered Physical Assault charges, and Assaulting an officer is a biggy.

Remember at this point she's only been charged with crimes, she hasn't actually seen a judge, and "county lock up" probably isn't like big prison, but it's also larger than 4 cells at the back of the Sheriff's station.

"Exposing your self to a minor" is a sex crime. Some people (most people?) gain sexual titillation from showing their genitals to other people. Forcing unwilling people to see your genitals is a different kind of rush on par with rape. Forcing unwilling children to see your genitals to get a rush is paedophilia. A boob and her bum are hardly genitals, and "mooning" is long held gesture of disrespect that has nothing to do with sexuality. It's actually the origin of the very popular phase "Kiss my ass".

Obviously that's not what happened, or that's not the context of what happened, because although Jennifer was eyeraping children, it wasn't for her own pleasure, and the children where not the target of her display.

So yeah, it's a cross between a zero tolerance thingy, and you have to take the charge serious until the judge decides if it's really sexual assault, or a false claim from an asshole wasting the court's time, because sometimes it is a dirty bastard getting off on showing his dick to 9 year olds who needs to be dealt to swiftly.

If Jennifer had been an adult and cooperated calmly with the polices expectations, they probably would not have come to her house (a second time?), and she would not have gone to jail, and she would have seen a judge a month later where she would have apologised for an argument she had with an adult that got out of hand, and that she had been so angry that she had forgot that children were present.

Anger Management is not funny.

Oh?

Why was she "free" anyways?

She rammed a police car with her car a couple months back.

In all likelihood Jennifer was on probation or parole.

Break even a little law when you're on probation and you're in trouble and straight back to jail, plus penalties.

 

[SeerSGB]

Sorry, but that's funny stuff right there.

I don't know if you refer to the "please wear clothes" part.

If not, please consider the following: I'm not from the United States, so I have some cultural difficulties to understand why somebody, who showed bodyparts in public, has to be arrested by two policemen two days later and actually has to go to PRISON for two weeks.

I admit I had to check the word, since english is a foreign language for me and I hope I chose the correct one: I wanted to refer to the principle of commensurabilty.

And if you (or somebody else) think that citory letters(?) by the police or the court don't work anyway so you better send an arresting-commando right away, you're free to do so. But you should not laugh about people, who think that they do.

Just guessing.

There was a 911 call. So the police came immediately. They would have asked Jennifer to report to the station for a talking to, so they could set up a court date to settle her actual punishment or aquittal.

Failure to appear, so that the fuzz actually had to go get her and then she resisted arrest. Not violently. But verbal threats in America are considered Physical Assault charges, and Assaulting an officer is a biggy.

Remember at this point she's only been charged with crimes, she hasn't actually seen a judge, and "county lock up" probably isn't like big prison, but it's also larger than 4 cells at the back of the Sheriff's station.

"Exposing your self to a minor" is a sex crime. Some people (most people?) gain sexual titillation from showing their genitals to other people. Forcing unwilling people to see your genitals is a different kind of rush on par with rape. Forcing unwilling children to see your genitals to get a rush is paedophilia. A boob and her bum are hardly genitals, and "mooning" is long held gesture of disrespect that has nothing to do with sexuality. It's actually the origin of the very popular phase "Kiss my ass".

Obviously that's not what happened, or that's not the context of what happened, because although Jennifer was eyeraping children, it wasn't for her own pleasure, and the children where not the target of her display.

So yeah, it's a cross between a zero tolerance thingy, and you have to take the charge serious until the judge decides if it's really sexual assault, or a false claim from an asshole wasting the court's time, because sometimes it is a dirty bastard getting off on showing his dick to 9 year olds who needs to be dealt to swiftly.

If Jennifer had been an adult and cooperated calmly with the polices expectations, they probably would not have come to her house (a second time?), and she would not have gone to jail, and she would have seen a judge a month later where she would have apologised for an argument she had with an adult that got out of hand, and that she had been so angry that she had forgot that children were present.

Anger Management is not funny.

Oh?

Why was she "free" anyways?

She rammed a police car with her car a couple months back.

In all likelihood Jennifer was on probation or parole.

Break even a little law when you're on probation and you're in trouble and straight back to jail, plus penalties.

Yeah there's a lot more than what's being told. Cause, as it's told in the news reports on this recent incident, the cops would have (likely) talked to both neighbors. Told 'em to stopping pissing on each other, stay on their side of the property line, made a few scary threats about arrests and fines and walked way. Given that Jennifer has a history in the county, was probably on parole and/or awaiting trial and gave them attitude and made threats, they had more than enough to cuff her; her history, however, seems to be one of escalation and who knows what else is on her record.

 

[Drone]

It is heartening to see that there has been an appreciable rise in the level of awareness of some of the specifics in what has transpired in her life in the last decade or so. I was flabbergasted that there was virtually no mention in any source of the 2012 case until months later.

Also, for those who supposedly would have a greater interest than the general public in Ms.Lien's circumstances, like the good folks in this august group, IIRC no one seemed to know the particulars of who the victim was or the case's final disposition. Facts that were pretty straightforwardly available to anyone truly interested without having to go anywhere near stalker mode.

From what I have scanned concerning April's felony charges, again there was scant mention if any at all until nearly 4 months later. Even with the very serious nature of that incident, it has finally taken a nominally lesser charge, albeit a more sensational one I suppose, to draw any substantive attention to the plight in which Ms. Lien has been undergoing for quite a long time.

By the way, Guy, as I read it, you recently mentioned that her children had beeen removed from her custody. If that understanding was correct, is that just an eminently likely assumption, or have you actually seen that detailed somewhere?

 

[Guy Gardener]

An earlier poster said that her husband had moved to California with their boy, who is producing and directing movies.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1227823/?ref_=tt_ov_wr

 

[Jonesy]

I've been resisting commenting about this, because it's just sad. It's not just this recent arrest, but what happened back in 2012 and in April of this year which makes it obvious that there is something very wrong going on with Jennifer at this point. And, frankly, it really makes the rumors (as they are at this point) of drug use by Jennifer during her Voyager years more plausible. Still, this is quite sad. I'd like to say or guess that she has a support structure going too, but if she has lost the support of family, it makes it all the worse.

 

[Drone]

An earlier poster said that her husband had moved to California with their boy, who is producing and directing movies.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1227823/?ref_=tt_ov_wr

By the way, I feel quite a bit less than uncertain in saying that she has at least another child than her son Jonah. Multiple anecdotal references I have read that have included other personal information about Jennifer can always be questioned for their veracity.

However, I have seen a local newspaper photo (somewhere in Cali) from years ago that shows her, the semi ex-husband, and two children at a waterside recreation area. The other one's name is Sebastian. Foolishly I didn't make a copy of it or jot down the particulars of the issue and damned if I haven't been able to find it again. Not a figment of my imagination and when I do locate it once more, I'll be sure to share the link to the clip here.

 

[Triskelion]

Honestly, you can attribute a change in appearance to motherhood as much as anything else.

In the immortal words of Coach McGuirk,
"Ya get fat, lady. All right? That's what you do."

Just wanna say kudos to Guy Gardener for hitting so many nails on the head in this thread.

Much remains to be explained, I for one am not lighting any torches, but will lie on my sofa - in whatever I damn well choose to wear. But I don't have tits, so it's not "newsworthy".

Very telling, though. Little Suzy, you can take Johnny Depp's advice and whump a bully upside the head with a brick. But FOR GOD'S SAKE DON'T TELL A BABY WHAT THE HUMAN BODY LOOKS LIKE!!!


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