Who's talking about Shatner?
If he was Italian the name would be "Tiberio".
Jenna Mitchell - hey, wait a second...
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If he was Italian the name would be "Tiberio".
I know, but it all comes down to the same thing--names can cross race and nationalities. That thread concentrated mostly on Asians, but you can apply it beyond that as well. Westernization is a global thing, for good or for bad, and isn't likely to stop in the future...
In the real world, people of different races are related all the time.
Of all the ridiculous things to complain about, lol, this one is certainly down there with the least valid of them all.
You're a white guy, aren't you? It would explain your disproportionate sense of entitlement to assess 'validity' on something you have never lived.
My white cousin married an African American lady, and lumbered her with a new weird Croatian surname.
My Native American wife with a Russian surname, did not take my name when we got married.
My mother's second marriage was to a pommy dude from England.
I have a string of second cousins who are half Maori.
My other cousin married an Australian, but then she was already half Australian, so she was already impure.
My two cousins on my Mother's side, much younger than I am, married Asian women.
Nothing wrong with any of that, it just is.
Do you think you have accomplished anything here?
God, no.
Wow. Seems like maybe you're of the special entitled race who gets to decide what's valid.
I noticed it and wouldn't be surprised. When they were making the Kelvin movies, they'd give random TOS character names to extras pretty much willy nilly. It doesn't bother me, I'm long over trying to map out specific details in the Trekverse
Do I have to fill out an application?
I think certain attributes eliminate the need for formal applications.
So you're saying, just submit a photo?
Yikes. I'd rather nobody know how Irish I am.
I guess we'll find out if someone wrote in a bit where Kirk asks where Mitchell is or something like that.I noticed it and wouldn't be surprised. When they were making the Kelvin movies, they'd give random TOS character names to extras pretty much willy nilly. It doesn't bother me, I'm long over trying to map out specific details in the Trekverse
This is a very valid critique:
This is also a very valid critique:
I agree that we need to see more Asian characters who haven't adopted European names. Asian culture deserves as much representation as Asian people.
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This is not a valid critique. At all:
JFC dude. It's a wink to the audience, an attempt to say, "Yeah, we love TOS too so we decided to include this Easter egg of two characters named after obscure TOS characters. You'd only notice if you really love TOS."
That's the full extent of how they think about it. Now, the fact they did this while perpetuating the trend of never featuring Asian characters with Asian names is bad, but naming characters in homage to obscure TOS characters is not a sign of laziness.
Canonically, we have no idea what the Eastern Coalition is whatsoever. Sure, Braga and Moore said what they had intended when they wrote First Contact, but no explanation has ever been given onscreen. Canonically, it's just as likely that the Eastern Coalition is, say, a collection of former U.S. states on the East Coast who splintered off during the Second Civil War, or a collection of warlords who used to be leaders of large corporations. We have no idea.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: It would be incredibly racist for a franchise that purports to depict a positive future to link that positive future to the genocide of a racial group or collection of nations. It's not a positive future if Asia got nuked more than Europe or North America.
Considering how much of that fantasy courtroom scene used visual tropes of anti-Asian stereotyping, I really don't think this is a path Star Trek should go down. Again, we have no idea what the Eastern Coalition is canonically.
I see no reason to think TOS Kyle and SNW Kyle are the same characters.
This is also a very valid critique:
I agree that we need to see more Asian characters who haven't adopted European names. Asian culture deserves as much representation as Asian people.
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This is not a valid critique. At all:
JFC dude. It's a wink to the audience, an attempt to say, "Yeah, we love TOS too so we decided to include this Easter egg of two characters named after obscure TOS characters. You'd only notice if you really love TOS."
That's the full extent of how they think about it. Now, the fact they did this while perpetuating the trend of never featuring Asian characters with Asian names is bad, but naming characters in homage to obscure TOS characters is not a sign of laziness.
Canonically, we have no idea what the Eastern Coalition is whatsoever. Sure, Braga and Moore said what they had intended when they wrote First Contact, but no explanation has ever been given onscreen. Canonically, it's just as likely that the Eastern Coalition is, say, a collection of former U.S. states on the East Coast who splintered off during the Second Civil War, or a collection of warlords who used to be leaders of large corporations. We have no idea.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: It would be incredibly racist for a franchise that purports to depict a positive future to link that positive future to the genocide of a racial group or collection of nations. It's not a positive future if Asia got nuked more than Europe or North America.
Considering how much of that fantasy courtroom scene used visual tropes of anti-Asian stereotyping, I really don't think this is a path Star Trek should go down. Again, we have no idea what the Eastern Coalition is canonically.
I see no reason to think TOS Kyle and SNW Kyle are the same characters.
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