Jenna is Going

[Mr Awe]

I get the sense that it won't be bad terms, but it'll be more PTSD related. And, they're building that angle up with Danny. Let's face it, going through danger so often ought to have serious effects on the companions! So far Clara is able to adjust to everyday life easily, but will that change? Imagine if we start seeing her being more jumpy at home? Nightmares? Etc.

Her departure may be more like Tegan's, who just saw too much death and destruction. Perhaps a bit more exploration of the psychological angle.

Just speculating though.

Mr Awe

 

[Guy Gardener]

Oh my lord!

It's so obvious!

This Pink Legacy we seem to be drowning in!

The Doctor is surrounding himself with Pinks.

So he lines himself up with a few Pinks to replace Clara but she gets shot in the face as she is leaving, and POOF!

All future Pinks are gone!

 

[Christopher]

I had a crazy thought about the next companion. We know from the DVD mini-episodes that were on the season 6 set the Doctor still continues to have adventures while his companions are sleeping, with those mini-episodes Amy wakes up in the middle of her relative "night" and catches the Doctor in middle of an adventure. So, what if the next companion is already travelling with the Doctor, and is a permanent companion living on the TARDIS like all Who fandom seem to feel a companion should be, only we haven't seen her since all the adventures the Doctor goes on with Clara are while the other companion is sleeping?

Obviously, this doesn't hold up completely at the moment, Listen definitely works best if we assume the Doctor doesn't have any other companions, but depending on how the rest of the season plays out, the next companion could already be in the TARDIS before Clara leaves.

Well, maybe there's another companion that has the same kind of intermittent relationship with the Doctor that Clara does -- living in their own home (maybe in a different era) and occasionally getting picked up by the Doctor for an adventure. Heck, he could have a whole slew of part-time companions who never meet. Although I have to wonder why he'd keep them from each other.

I kind of miss the days when the Doctor couldn't steer the TARDIS and going off with him meant you probably wouldn't see your home again for months or years, subjectively. The modern come-and-go approach sort of cheapens things. Being a companion should be something that sweeps you away and totally changes your life, not just an occasional break in a quotidian routine. I was hoping that Twelve's "Do you happen to know how to fly this thing?" upon his debut was a sign that we'd be going back to those days, but no such luck.

 

[Skellington]

^ Personally, I think that since very early on he's been both a pretty good TARDIS pilot and a pretty good deceiver. Maybe one day he'll go back to using the latter skill to hide the former.

 

[Christopher]

^ Personally, I think that since very early on he's been both a pretty good TARDIS pilot and a pretty good deceiver. Maybe one day he'll go back to using the latter skill to hide the former.

I don't buy that, because his navigation problems often kept him from getting to where he wanted to go, like the Third Doctor's perennial troubles getting to Metebelis III.

And there's a clear progression in the Doctor's control over the TARDIS. In his first two lives, he had hardly any control and was traveling at random. In his third, once his exile was lifted, he had partial control and could sometimes reach a desired destination, though more often than not he was off by parsecs or centuries -- and it stands to reason that his efforts over the preceding three years to circumvent the Time Lords' block on the TARDIS's controls gave him new insights into the operation of the machine. Then the Fourth Doctor got steadily better at steering, until by "State of Decay" he was able to make a short, precise hop (although K9 pointed out that doing so was easier in the small pocket universe of E-space). The Fifth Doctor had still more control but still tended to go off course, but his control got progressively better until, in his seventh life, he had no trouble getting exactly where and when he wanted to go. And that's been the norm ever since, aside from some occasional mistakes here and there.

Given that the Doctor stole the TARDIS in the first place, it makes sense that he didn't initially know how to pilot it, and only gradually mastered the art. There's also the fact he revealed in "Journey's End," that the TARDIS was meant to have six operators, which certainly made it more challenging to control it by himself.

 

[Guy Gardener]

There's supposed to be 6 pilots.

One for each of the 6 faces of the console.

Sometimes he has to be on both sides or the console at once.

The first Doctor didn't have the knees to get'er done.

What was Susan's excuse?

 

[Iamnotspock]

The first Doctor didn't have the knees to get'er done.

What was Susan's excuse?

Her ankles.

 

[Christopher]

Susan was a teenager and hadn't yet earned her time capsule operator's license.

 

[Guy Gardener]

They drag you to the academy kicking and screaming at the age of 8.

After being bogwashed in the untempered schism, I have no idea why Susan screamed so much during her adventures with Grandfather.

However, maybe she was always screaming and just managed to suppress it most of the time that her consistent screaming was kept inside?

There was a Companion Chronicle read by Carol Ann, that said Susan was older than Ian's age plus Barbara's age, which of course is not canon.

 

[Skellington]

^ Personally, I think that since very early on he's been both a pretty good TARDIS pilot and a pretty good deceiver. Maybe one day he'll go back to using the latter skill to hide the former.

I don't buy that, because his navigation problems often kept him from getting to where he wanted to go, like the Third Doctor's perennial troubles getting to Metebelis III.

And there's a clear progression in the Doctor's control over the TARDIS. In his first two lives, he had hardly any control and was traveling at random.

True, but much of this can be put down to the will of the TARDIS (longtime fan speculation, and all but stated outright in The Doctor's Wife) or of the Celestial Intervention Agency. Also, fan speculation has it (reasonably enough) that maybe some of the problems with the TARDIS were due to security systems that made it difficult for him to use this stolen ship problem.

The idea that the Doctor (a technical genius, who's had his ship for many centuries by the time of most of his adventures) was simply lying about his abilities is not a new one; in the novelisation of Timelash, Six reflects that he used to make a fuss of getting people home but had a button/switch on the console that would just make the TARDIS head directly to Earth. And NuWho, though obviously not part of the narrative of the show's first run, makes certain things pretty clear: the TARDIS is smart, has godlike perception and processing abilities, can ignore some commands/suggestions from the Doctor, and can read or write to its crews' minds (a pertinent example being its gift of TARDIS-flying ability to River).

The difficulty with the shirt hops can be put down to the TARDIS not being designed for them (or even being designed to resist doing them). Modifications along þhinkmyou're way could presumably be what got rid of this issue.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I wonder if Jemma Powell would be interested in playing Barbara again on the Telly?

Young, hot Barbara.

Imagine how complicated it would become if they hooked up?

 

[Allyn Gibson]

I wonder if Jemma Powell would be interested in playing Barbara again on the Telly?

Young, hot Barbara.

Imagine how complicated it would become if they hooked up?

If who hooked up? Clara and Barbara? That would be different.

 

[Christopher]

I don't buy that, because his navigation problems often kept him from getting to where he wanted to go, like the Third Doctor's perennial troubles getting to Metebelis III.

And there's a clear progression in the Doctor's control over the TARDIS. In his first two lives, he had hardly any control and was traveling at random.

True, but much of this can be put down to the will of the TARDIS (longtime fan speculation, and all but stated outright in The Doctor's Wife) or of the Celestial Intervention Agency. Also, fan speculation has it (reasonably enough) that maybe some of the problems with the TARDIS were due to security systems that made it difficult for him to use this stolen ship problem.

To an extent, but it seems excessive to attribute it entirely to external factors and assume the Doctor was perfectly capable of navigating it all along. That's working aggressively against the preponderance of evidence.

The TARDIS's will, in my view, can help explain why the Doctor's seemingly random travels always happened to land him and his companions right in the middle of a crisis or at the exact point in a planet's history when it was going through major upheavals -- given that a truly random itinerary would land him in uneventful places and situations the vast majority of the time. But I see that as being possible largely because the Doctor's own lack of control left an opening for the TARDIS to influence its destination.

Besides, the Hartnell episodes make it pretty clear that the Doctor considered the TARDIS's journeys to be virtually random. He didn't even make a pretense of being able to steer the "ship." It's one thing as if, in his later incarnations, he insisted he could steer the TARDIS but it kept landing in the wrong place. It's another thing altogether if the Doctor himself acknowledged a lack of ability to control it, as he originally did. And given that progression within the show, it makes far more sense to assume that the Doctor simply didn't have sufficient piloting skill in his first incarnation and only gradually improved it over time.

 

[Mr Awe]

^ I agree, there is a definite progression that is visible during the classic series. The Doctor learns as he goes.

Mr Awe

 

[DWF]

I can't accept that it took the Doctor several hundreds of years to learn to pilot the TARDIS and even then it still put's him and his companions into danger. It was more than alittle odd that the TARDIS allowed the Doctor to travel to Trenzalore in The Time Of The Doctor yet refused to take him there in The Name Of The Doctor. The TARIDS like any otehr vessel still travels wherever the plot needs for it to go and at whatever speed is needed for the plot.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I wonder if Jemma Powell would be interested in playing Barbara again on the Telly?

Young, hot Barbara.

Imagine how complicated it would become if they hooked up?

If who hooked up? Clara and Barbara? That would be different.

Clara is gone.

You just have to think fourth dimensionally Marty!

I was just thinking about the Doctor and Barbara.

Was homosexuality illegal in Britain in 1966?

Before and during the formation of the UK, Christianity and homosexuality clashed. Same-sex sexual activity was characterised as sinful and, under the Buggery Act 1533, was outlawed and punishable by death. LGBT rights first came to prominence following the decriminalisation of same-sex sexual activity across the UK between 1967 and 1982.

Would Barbara have been willing to risk being hanged to smooch with Clara?

Probably not.

Remember, this is why why poor Oliver was running.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I can't accept that it took the Doctor several hundreds of years to learn to pilot the TARDIS and even then it still put's him and his companions into danger. It was more than alittle odd that the TARDIS allowed the Doctor to travel to Trenzalore in The Time Of The Doctor yet refused to take him there in The Name Of The Doctor. The TARIDS like any otehr vessel still travels wherever the plot needs for it to go and at whatever speed is needed for the plot.

Take all the screws out of your car's steering wheel.

Push your peddle to the metal, and see what happens.

[Gallifrey - Tardis repair shop]
CLARA: Doctor?
DOCTOR 1: Yes, what is it? What do you want?
CLARA [OC]: Right from the very beginning.
CLARA: Sorry, but you're about to make a very big mistake. Don't steal that one, steal this one. The navigation system's knackered, but you'll have much more fun.
CLARA [OC]: Right from the day he started running.
CLARA [Dalek Asylum]: Run, you clever boy.

 

[DWF]

I can't accept that it took the Doctor several hundreds of years to learn to pilot the TARDIS and even then it still put's him and his companions into danger. It was more than alittle odd that the TARDIS allowed the Doctor to travel to Trenzalore in The Time Of The Doctor yet refused to take him there in The Name Of The Doctor. The TARIDS like any otehr vessel still travels wherever the plot needs for it to go and at whatever speed is needed for the plot.

Take all the screws out of your car's steering wheel.

Push your peddle to the metal, and see what happens.

[Gallifrey - Tardis repair shop]
CLARA: Doctor?
DOCTOR 1: Yes, what is it? What do you want?
CLARA [OC]: Right from the very beginning.
CLARA: Sorry, but you're about to make a very big mistake. Don't steal that one, steal this one. The navigation system's knackered, but you'll have much more fun.
CLARA [OC]: Right from the day he started running.
CLARA [Dalek Asylum]: Run, you clever boy.

Yeah what Clara also disproves what the TARDIS told the Doctor in The Doctor's Wife, that she choose him notthe other way around, Moffat seems to want it both ways now.

 

[Sindatur]

I don't buy that, because his navigation problems often kept him from getting to where he wanted to go, like the Third Doctor's perennial troubles getting to Metebelis III.

And there's a clear progression in the Doctor's control over the TARDIS. In his first two lives, he had hardly any control and was traveling at random.

True, but much of this can be put down to the will of the TARDIS (longtime fan speculation, and all but stated outright in The Doctor's Wife) or of the Celestial Intervention Agency. Also, fan speculation has it (reasonably enough) that maybe some of the problems with the TARDIS were due to security systems that made it difficult for him to use this stolen ship problem.

To an extent, but it seems excessive to attribute it entirely to external factors and assume the Doctor was perfectly capable of navigating it all along. That's working aggressively against the preponderance of evidence.

Yea, especially if you consider Tegan. Tegan got on his last nerve so many times, you could almost literally see him counting to 10, so, he could stop himself from slugging her. If he could have, he would've been more than willing to run her home, on any number of occasions

 

[Count Zero]

There's no indication that he disliked Tegan to a significant degree. She did get on his nerves sometimes (like all his companions - Five had Three's irascibility but a gentler disposition). He was sad when she left.