Jayru (JSnaith's) 3D Trek
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Well, here we go again.... This forum definitely needed ANOTHER debate on this.
I agree with you and disagree. I say Starfleet is NOT military, because it has many duties that fall outside of what a military does. I do agree with you that the concept of military changes over centuries.
What I've said in the past and will say here again....
Starfleet is NOT a military. It is a completely unique organisation that has many duties, including what a current day military would do. It has a ranking system based on military/naval ranks. Based on, not exactly like.
For example, it took until half way of DS9 for the writers to realize that someone with the rank of captain doesn't automatically receive a command but can also have other duties. Or for someone of the rank of commander to be the CO of a ship and be referred to as a captain. Hell, we should have seen system patrol ships with many 20 people onboard and a Lt. Commander as the CO. That would be more naval. We should have been seeing far more starships with admirals on it.
@JSnaith I'm so sorry for this long and unrelated post in your topic. I'll keep my peace now and only comment on your designs and progress.
Hi Jayru speaking for my self. The trek universe that I imagine is more about FJ's ship designations, followed by my few years of playing Starfleet Battles and how they designate ships. I also enjoyed all the FASA Roleplaying material never played the game but enjoyed the technical manuals. and I collected all sorts of tech material. Check out my deviant art page some time. The FJ blueprints started my love of Trek Tech.
This feels like it's a predecessor to the Nova. It's got a similar size and profile.
Those are interesting points, and yes - it is something I hadn't considered. Although if mem serves wasn't CO of the starbase in 11001001 a Commander? Yes, it makes better sense that smaller ships and stations might not need a captain to run them. And the idea that Starfleet is a loose collective, rather than a die-hard military org makes proper sense - as you say, they have other duties.
And no worries, I asked the question.
Again, that is someone outside of the screen who is putting Starfleet into today's military terms. Now, whilst that is understandable, people would try to make sense of it that way. We never hear the terms corvetee, frigate, etc in terms of the show. Heavy Cruiser and Cruiser Light Cruiser are the only definitions we hear. That doesn't mean other terms don't exist. Does using current ship terms make sense in Trek? That's a hard question to answer. To an extent, maybe, but the roles these ships have are far different from the roles a current navy would use. Plus, to quote Kir,k "Starfleet is a combined service" (Tomorrow is Yesterday), so strictly speaking, it isn't a just Navy Service, but something else. Humm, food for thought.
I shall take a gander at your dA page, have one myself, but it's just for my writing and other artwork (search for JSnaith).
I noticed that myself, but my paper design predates Voyager by a few decades, lol.
Updates, thoughts and some random drivel:
I am shutting down my 3D projects until the new year. I need a break, and with that surgical procedure coming up (if you're curious, do a search for "TriClip Procedure"), I don't want too many projects hanging over my head whilst I'm away from my PC.
I need to do a reinstall on my main rig, it's become a little temperamental and is crashing a lot. It's not the hardware, it's a software thing. So... That will be a few days.
Christmas is coming up, and however you spend the holiday (I am not a religious person myself) we have been making a lot of memories. (Yesterday was a meal at a Japanese restaurant because I've never been to one, and why not?). I'd like to make sure I'm not leaving too many projects hanging over my head. I know there are a few unfinished, and I will get back to them. Planning for the future, because either way, the future is going to happen.
And lastly, I need to get to work on a writing project. A character is bugging the hell out of me, so I will get on with their story and finish it (it's not just 3D projects I have unfinished, lol).
So, anyways... If I don't post beforehand, however you spend the Holiday, have a good one, and a fantastic New Year's Eve. Here's to 2026.
More soon!
Same to you have a happy and safe holiday season 
A few decades? Only 15 years separate STIII (1984) and Equinox (1999). You hiding a time machine somewhere?
Kidding aside, great work! That side view really drives home that these are not small ships. It wouldn't even be able to fit in a football stadium!
I like it. To me, it feels like a compact variant of the Clarke-class. Similar building blocks, arranged for what works best for their mission profiles.
I've long viewed Starfleet as having two personnel specialization tracks -- military and exploration. Picard is on the exploration track. Sisko is on the military track. And that would apply to ships as well -- the base models can be customized for more exploratory roles or more military roles.
The Clarke, for instance, I can see in both a "heavy Oberth" role and a light cruiser role, and it would be outfitted differently for what it was needed for.
I think Starfleet ships, especially in the 2270s, are going to be designed to be (or be easily converted to) warships. Starfleet has fought three wars with the Klingons in the past thirty years or so (Four Years, Binary Stars, Organian). But that doesn't mean they aren't capable of having specialized science variants.
Thank you all, will do a proper reply in due course, although this is more of a "PS". The reinstall on the main rig wasn't necessary in the end (even though it was done). It was a hardware problem after all LOL, whole year the rig managed with the fault, and now it's clicking away as it should. Still have to reload everything. So I will still be offline for 3D work for a bit until I get everything back up and running.
Still planning to go ahead with a break before and after Xmas. I need it folks. Also fits in nicely with upcoming hospital time.
Take care all of you, have a fantastic holiday and new year.
More soon.
Still planning to go ahead with a break before and after Xmas. I need it folks. Also fits in nicely with upcoming hospital time.
Take care all of you, have a fantastic holiday and new year.
More soon.
Thank youSame to you have a happy and safe holiday season
I want to say "great minds think alike," but given the state of my mind, I won't, lol. The Challenger is not without issues; there is no such thing as a perfect starship.A few decades? Only 15 years separate STIII (1984) and Equinox (1999). You hiding a time machine somewhere?
Kidding aside, great work! That side view really drives home that these are not small ships. It wouldn't even be able to fit in a football stadium!
I'm not aware of the Clarke Class, throw me a link and I'll have a look.
You make some excellent points, Starfleet of this era is a going to lean more towards military, but the Challenger is a later 23rd, early 24th century ship, built during a time when it was about giving peace a chance.
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I thought that was what you called one of your ships earlier in the thread, vaguely inspired by the Surak from DC's Star Trek comics in the 80s. It's a bigger Oberth, but with a neck.
Gotcha ;-)
The USS Clarke NCC-2661 is a McCaffrey Class starship. There is a proper take on the comic book "Surak" called the Sutton Class later in the thread (named for the artist who drew her). Weird geometry on that ship, but I rather liked how it turned out.
It should be noted that I no longer have the ability to view earlier images on this thread because Imgur banned the entire UK, I now use ImageChest as a hosting site. Obviously, I still have access to the files and the like...
More soon.
Would be nice to see some sort of class logo like you've been doing for your later images on the latest picture how about a comparison schematic as well? When you have the time. Great work as always
I love the McCaffrey class...
I picture Admiral Helena Cain(Nu BattlestarGalactica), being more than a tad confused about exactly what any Federation Starship is capable of...
I picture Admiral Helena Cain(Nu BattlestarGalactica), being more than a tad confused about exactly what any Federation Starship is capable of...
The McCaffrey Class logo would have to feature a dragon.
Fortunately, Ro Laran would know what to do.
Maybe...
