Jason Isaacs speaks about Star Trek
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I forget the exact wording but in the episode when they returned to the prime-universe Admiral Cornwell says something to the effect that Captain Lorca is probably dead because the mirror universe is so deadly.
I'm not surprised some people may have missed it. It was a single line, almost a throwaway line and nothing is said of prime-Lorca again. And nobody, including the Admiral who knew him personally from some time before, seems all that concerned, which I found a bit perplexing.
Yeah which makes me wonder if they knew that the Lorca we saw in the show wasn't "their" Lorca.
Well, when the line was spoken they obviously knew since it was after the mirror universe episodes.
But prior to, well, the crew of Discovery wouldn't have known anything was amiss. They never knew prime-Lorca. But Cornwall had a feeling something was right about Lorca, and she did know prime-Lorca.
I read "Drastic Measures' before seeing the show and Lorca on the show seemed off to me compared to the novel. Of course I had no idea the reason for that. I assumed maybe any changes in his character were because it was about 10 years later and he lost someone special to him in the book and figured maybe that had an impact. Little did I know it was much more than that.
Yes, first American onscreen interracial kiss (between a black person and white person).
The in-story reason for the kiss didn't matter at all.
Don't know if you're American, but if not believe me when I tell you that it was a BIG deal. Any physical contact between a black person and white person (especially a man and a woman) on TV or the movies was hugely controversial, not to everyone, but to a significant and boisterous number of people. Yeah, it should not have been a big deal, but it most definitely was. Star Trek was revolutionary in this regard.
In America? Yes, it does. The kiss between Culp and France Nguyen wasn't anywhere close to as big a deal as the kiss between Kirk and Uhura. BTW, I'm not conceding that you're right about when the I Spy kiss occurred.
Not enough time to properly explain why it was a big deal. Suffice to say that it was, despite everyone being part of the human race.
I'm pretty sure Jason was not assigning the term "SJW" with anything negative, nor should he have. He's right. Star Trek and Rodenberry were SJW long before most. That is something about which they should be proud.
This isn’t gate keeping.
Not to mention, IIRC several southern US States refused to air the episode
Who exactly would that have offended? Would they have rioted and burned down the TV station?
The southern states are easily riled up. Even in the 90s the kiss scene in DS9 rejoined was edited out in the southern states, with some not even bothering to air the episode.
Bigots. It was the 60s remember
If only they things were different today in 2019. They seem to be just as powerful.
DSC isn't even that SJW compared to other Trek's. Yes it has a gay couple, yes it has a black woman as a main character (on the otherhand we've had two white male captains... No there's nothing wrong with that, just saying), but otherwise its barely touched topics that past Trek would have done three times by now.
I don't understand it. It's not like Trek was ever subtle about it's message. It's like racist Doctor who fans who don't seem to get what the Daleks are. I think there's a lot of cognitive dissonance going on there to make them feel better about themselves.
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Few things..
I agree that a lot of non-fans latched onto this show early as a part of the ongoing culture war that is inescapably smothering all entertainment industries. It had nothing to do with the show though, but had everything to do with the twitter pic the cast posted of them all "taking a knee" with professional victim Colin Kaepernick. I never really cared about these people, and just dismissed them as idealouges. They have long since lost interest, and moved on to whatever the current topic is in pop culture (probably star wars).
That being said, those people are a feint whisper of the scrutiny given to STD. You cannot apply the boogeyman defense on this show, when a large part of the actual star trek fanbase hates the show for legitimate reasons. (Storytelling, character development, continuity, casting, etc.) I personally enjoyed the first season, some episodes way more than others, but I will also admit that it's the worst star trek series.
Now the thing that really bugs me about Jason Issac's gatekeeper attitude is his assertion (and it's an assertion shared by a portion of the fanbase) that Star Trek has always been "SJW". Yes, but NO. Civil Rights activists from the 1960s DO NOT EQUAL wealthy white suburbanites that virtue signal over pronouns. There is no comparison between women fighting for the right to vote and the campaign to stop "manspreading" and "mansplaining" on twitter.
The term, "SJW", specifically indicates virtue-signalling and speaking for others you perceive to be lesser in society and therefore in need of your strong voice to support them. This is why most people outraged about borderline racial comments or other trivial "problematic speech" on twitter are not actually the race/group in question, but a wealthy middle-aged white woman who wants more social currency in her friend group.
So what I'm trying to say here, is for the love of god, stop comparing the civil rights movement and first-wave feminism with the modern SJW. They aren't on the same planet, they aren't in the same solar system... They probably aren't even in the same galaxy.
I agree that a lot of non-fans latched onto this show early as a part of the ongoing culture war that is inescapably smothering all entertainment industries. It had nothing to do with the show though, but had everything to do with the twitter pic the cast posted of them all "taking a knee" with professional victim Colin Kaepernick. I never really cared about these people, and just dismissed them as idealouges. They have long since lost interest, and moved on to whatever the current topic is in pop culture (probably star wars).
That being said, those people are a feint whisper of the scrutiny given to STD. You cannot apply the boogeyman defense on this show, when a large part of the actual star trek fanbase hates the show for legitimate reasons. (Storytelling, character development, continuity, casting, etc.) I personally enjoyed the first season, some episodes way more than others, but I will also admit that it's the worst star trek series.
Now the thing that really bugs me about Jason Issac's gatekeeper attitude is his assertion (and it's an assertion shared by a portion of the fanbase) that Star Trek has always been "SJW". Yes, but NO. Civil Rights activists from the 1960s DO NOT EQUAL wealthy white suburbanites that virtue signal over pronouns. There is no comparison between women fighting for the right to vote and the campaign to stop "manspreading" and "mansplaining" on twitter.
The term, "SJW", specifically indicates virtue-signalling and speaking for others you perceive to be lesser in society and therefore in need of your strong voice to support them. This is why most people outraged about borderline racial comments or other trivial "problematic speech" on twitter are not actually the race/group in question, but a wealthy middle-aged white woman who wants more social currency in her friend group.
So what I'm trying to say here, is for the love of god, stop comparing the civil rights movement and first-wave feminism with the modern SJW. They aren't on the same planet, they aren't in the same solar system... They probably aren't even in the same galaxy.
I think hate is a strong word. I'm not the show's number one fan, by any stretch of the imagination, but I think there was enough there to keep up with it even though I've been unhappy with the overall product.
My hope is that with a stable showrunner, the show will reach its potential.
I don't have a problem with your group. Even though I happen to like DSC, and don't agree with your opinion of it at all, I know what it's like to dislike a Star Trek series. It happens. No harm, no foul.
That other group, the one who complains about "SJWs!!!!", I won't give them the same courtesy I'll give you. But I'll never associate the people who dislike with the show for legitimate reasons with the bigots out there.
Funny how the most current Trek show is always deemed to be the worst and gets the lion's share of proclaimed hate.
Takes me back to 1987 and 2001 when I heard similar rantings at conventions and then later on, here.
The only thing that's changed is that there is a new "topic of the day" to throw into the mix.
Kinda sad that folks can't enjoy a show or movie without getting all bent out of shape over it.
Takes me back to 1987 and 2001 when I heard similar rantings at conventions and then later on, here.
The only thing that's changed is that there is a new "topic of the day" to throw into the mix.
Kinda sad that folks can't enjoy a show or movie without getting all bent out of shape over it.
Do you remember when we used to like things?
Because it is the one people are paying the most attention to at that given point, and it isn't unique to Trek fans. The prequel Star Wars trilogy is getting a lot more love right now, while people slam the sequel trilogy.
I don't know about 'we', but I still enjoy new Trek very much.
Despite some of the rather annoying choices about visual changes that get made each and every time.
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