Jason Isaacs speaks about Star Trek

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  1. Trinity Gingerbread

    Trinity Gingerbread Time is the thief of life Premium Member

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    People should be allowed to agree and disagree with him, and the show for the episodes they've watch, and not for groupthink's. Democracy if not the Star Trek concept of "IDIC" prevailing, the world is made up of all types because it's that simple. Or whose groupthink is best?

    Isaacs is incorrect, by the way. The first interracial kiss took place on television took place on UK screens in 1962. If you want America instead of the rest of the world, that's great. But he's still not quite right: Hyping up the 1968 Trek episode, which was a kiss induced by coercion - physical assault. I'm not sure how that's worthy of a trophy and glorifying?

    Actually, he might be wrong about the kiss. Even before "I Spy"'s 1966 interracial kiss (Robert Culp, France Nuyen) there was arguably one or a few others... Depends on the races involved? We're all of the human race so why is it a big deal?

    (Nor am I saying he's wrong on every aspect of every point raised. He's just angry because people on youtube are making money by criticizing and whining about a television show, misinterpreting what's been misinterpreted and leading to more misinterpretation.)

    On edit: Grammar, reference point, addendum at the end.)
     
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  3. Trinity Gingerbread

    Trinity Gingerbread Time is the thief of life Premium Member

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    Yes but to have a go at modern Trek and labelling it SJW is ludicrous when Trek has been doing that since 1966. Eat that .
     
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    Entirely agreed on that! I've yet to try to figure out what makes the modern "SJW" aspect any different. Maybe it's perceived tactfulness in episodes' scripting (or perceived lack thereof) and correlation (if not conflation) is made? Or how some who critiqued the show were originally just nitpicking plot points but then threw in SJW after believing correlation is always causation, which is not always the case.

    Social commentary and showing human nature in action do stem to TOS, saying what was right or wrong, and with levels of tactfulness (and even tactlessness (heavyhandedness?), in one or two cases that make what some find cringeworthy in DSC to pale by comparison.)
     
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    I think the problem is that a few video jockeys (and not necessarily Trek fans) have latched onto "SJW" as a possible way to rile up folks who see "Conservative White Justice" as a thing (which it really isn't) to bring more views (and money) to their pockets.

    But, there have always been hucksters and con-men out there willing to use the least common denominator to achieve their own selfish goals and with the internet it has become even more prevalent.
    :shrug:
     
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  6. The Wormhole

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    Even though I know what Isaacs really sounds like, ever since Disco premiered, every interview I read from him, I imagine in his Lorca voice.
     
  7. BillJ

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    He's right. Folks with agendas latch onto to shows now as a way to get their message out. They aren't fans. He's also right about having a great cast. Unfortunately, the writing let them down quite a bit.
     
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    Discovery hasn't been the same without him. I hope he comes back in some form soon. Put him in a TOS book. Have Kirk rescue him from that prison it's implied he's in at the end of Drastic Measures.
     
  9. Trinity Gingerbread

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    He should have done the whole thing in character... That would have rocked.
     
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    The books aren't going to touch Lorca's fate until at least after Disco ends without doing so, I know, being in the 32nd century makes it less likely we'll see Prime Lorca on the show, but weirder things have happened.
     
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    I too hope we haven't seen the last of Jason Isaacs--in this case as prime Lorca. I'm still a bit puzzled about how quickly the admiral (and by extension the show runners) dismissed prime-Lorca with a single line (that I almost missed).

    With Discovery it seems the books/comics are a bit more in the loop when it comes to canon. The show still has done it's own things, largely dismissing "Desperate Hours" (though "The Enterprise War" novel tried to salvage some of that). But if "Drastic Measures" ended with an appearance by prime-Lorca in a mirror prison I have to think maybe that's because the show wanted to leave open the possibility that Lorca might still be out there.

    Now we do have different show runners that may have decided not to pursue it. But I hope not. I'd love to see an episode where they find out Lorca is still alive and they find a way to go back and rescue him. In a way maybe him being in an alternate universe makes the time travel challenge less of an issue (though if they decided to do it they'd find a way around it). Of course Lorca would then be trapped in the future with them---but I'm sure it's better than where he's at now.
     
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    It's entirely possible that Prime Lorca could some how accidentally jump to the future if he manages to escape from his MU prison and find a way to get back.
    We've already seen it happen with the Discovery's return.


    STO had Kaptain Killy with her ship and crew jump to the games current timeline from their past, when she figured out a way to cross over.
     
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    Gatekeeping.
     
  15. BillJ

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    This brings up a memory from a DC Comics letter column back when TNG was gearing up. They were going to do a story with Harry Mudd where the Enterprise finds a cryonics pod with him frozen inside. Unfortunately, Roger C. Carmel passed before they were able to do it.

    Would be a neat story for either Picard or Discovery to rework using Rain Wilson.
     
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  16. Ovation

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    For what? Turning the “real Trek fan” definition away from “Discovery is non-canonical garbage as any ‘TruFan’ knows” to “Discovery is just as ‘real Trek’ as all the rest”?

    ‘Bout time.
     
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    i feel that way about his twitter. isaacs has made a career out of playing these malevolent men, it's hard to separate that out from the real guy so he just comes off malevolent but in a way i can get behind.
     
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  18. Trinity Gingerbread

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    What line was that?
     
  19. BillJ

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    Isaacs is great in "The Death of Stalin"!
     
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