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Janeway's worst decisions?

If there was one season where I thought Janeway was the most inconsistent, it was Season 5. The whole thing in Night about being isolated from her crew, and then Punishing Paris in 30 Days for doing something she kinda did in Counterpoint. As for other bad decisions:

-The Borg Alliance (Even though hindsight is 20/20)
-Not time-bombing the Caretaker's array (using it to get home and then destroying it, best of both worlds)
 
Re: Janeway's worst decisions

Not really, I mean Sisko and Kirk did stuff as nasty but no one ever minded then.

No, you see Sisko reflected on his actions, we weren't shown that he was right all the time, moreover he was in a situation where he had to defend the entire existence of the fed. Kirk was the man, always will be the man and so can never be wrong.

You are joking, right? Kirk The Godkiller totally destroyed the way of life for the aliens in "The Apple" (and many others), he risked his ship to get revenge on a cloud in "Obsession", he forces a world to accept real war again and risk destruction in "A Taste of Armageddon" and letched over Reyna from "Requiem for Methuselah" in a truly disgusting fashion leading to her death.

A true role model.

As I said, the man. Janeway cant be the man because shes a woman. End of story.
 
If there was one season where I thought Janeway was the most inconsistent, it was Season 5. The whole thing in Night about being isolated from her crew, and then Punishing Paris in 30 Days for doing something she kinda did in Counterpoint.

It made me laugh that she demoted Paris for that when it was probably just her example he was following. I wonder if it was partly just to make the episode work, so that we'd think Paris had gone back to his old self at first then he could bring out all his issues about his dad *yawn*. I can't stand Paris so I think Janeway should be harsh on him more often.


I'm not sure it's fair to compare Janeway's decisions with the other captains because she was stuck in the delta quadrant. The other captains could take time off and go on holidays, Janeway was stuck on Voyager having to make all the tough decisions. Generally I think Janeway did well (as did Sisko though I never liked him as much) and it's not like she thought she was perfect, there were times she wondered if she did the right thing by helping the Ocampa and she felt guilty about losing crew members.
 
Re: Janeway's worst decisions

No, you see Sisko reflected on his actions, we weren't shown that he was right all the time, moreover he was in a situation where he had to defend the entire existence of the fed. Kirk was the man, always will be the man and so can never be wrong.

You are joking, right? Kirk The Godkiller totally destroyed the way of life for the aliens in "The Apple" (and many others), he risked his ship to get revenge on a cloud in "Obsession", he forces a world to accept real war again and risk destruction in "A Taste of Armageddon" and letched over Reyna from "Requiem for Methuselah" in a truly disgusting fashion leading to her death.

A true role model.

As I said, the man. Janeway cant be the man because shes a woman. End of story.

Why on earth would she want to be "the man"? :wtf:
 
Re: Janeway's worst decisions

You are joking, right? Kirk The Godkiller totally destroyed the way of life for the aliens in "The Apple" (and many others), he risked his ship to get revenge on a cloud in "Obsession", he forces a world to accept real war again and risk destruction in "A Taste of Armageddon" and letched over Reyna from "Requiem for Methuselah" in a truly disgusting fashion leading to her death.

A true role model.

As I said, the man. Janeway cant be the man because shes a woman. End of story.

Why on earth would she want to be "the man"? :wtf:

Because men are better than women
 
Not using the tri-cobalt devices on the Kazon battleship instead of the array. She could have destroyed them. Spent time studying the technology. Repaired the array's self destruct. Program it to detonate after it sent them home.
 
For real, though, I still stand by my claim that she shouldn't have given away that holodeck technology in Killing Game. It was very OOC.

I used to feel the same way, but then it occurred to me that the Hirogen had complete control of the holodecks all the way through the episode and were quite adept at using them. I think she traded the holodeck "unit" for possession of the ship--not a bad trade. Yes, she lived to regret it, but hindsight is always 20/20.
 
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It seems somewhat inconsistent with the Janeway who refused to negotiate with the Kazon though.

...and before anyone cites that as an example of character evolution I'd point out that it would feel a lot more like character evolution rather than inconsistency if there was an indication that Janeway was actually reconsidering her past decisions rather than simply acting contrary to her previous decisions.
 
worst decision was when she kept changing her hair. Leave Good enough alone, seriously!!! your in freakin out of space you dont have to look great lol.
 
If there was one season where I thought Janeway was the most inconsistent, it was Season 5. The whole thing in Night about being isolated from her crew, and then Punishing Paris in 30 Days for doing something she kinda did in Counterpoint. As for other bad decisions:

-The Borg Alliance (Even though hindsight is 20/20)
-Not time-bombing the Caretaker's array (using it to get home and then destroying it, best of both worlds)

She's the CAPTAIN... and I don't see how it's the same?

worst decision was when she kept changing her hair. Leave Good enough alone, seriously!!! your in freakin out of space you dont have to look great lol.

Women chang thier hair... I do all the time. Just saying. If thats the worst thing ... :techman:
Every Star Trek captain makes some bad decisions. What were Janeway's worst?

I say it was stranding her crew in the Delta Quadrant in the first place. I never understood why they couldn't rig the array to blow up using timed devices a few seconds after using it to send them home (or even order someone to stay behind to do the job). Add to that, the Ocampa were screwed anyway when their power would run out in a few years (although I guess she gave them time to prepare).

I guess it was more a case of weak writing, but I thought it made Janeway look bad on her first day on the job.

Honourable mention: Seperating Tuvix. I see why she did it, but she didn't have the right to murder an innocent to save two crewman, IMO.

She had two options with Tuvix... I certainly liked having Neelix and Tuvok seperate. "Murder" either way I guess. Lets not beat the dead Vulcan/Telaxian to death.

Caretaker - I guess I would say that she did the right thing not giving control to the Kazon and leaving the Ocampa to be enslaved and beaten... ya know so that people could go home and stuff... she had hope they would find another way, and they did.

Worst decision
Night and Letting Chakotay get away.
 
The murder of Tuvix no doubt about it.

You can argue she would have been killing Tuvok and Neelix by not doing it but the thing is they were allready gone, and it's still murder what she did to tuvix.
 
For me Janeway's worst decision was encouraging Tom Paris with Fair Haven. Why would anyone want to hang out with a bunch of religious simpletons? It did have a pub, but did it have real alcohol?

Janeway's action in "Spirit Folk" bothered me more. She risked several of her crewmembers for the sake of keeping some stupid holoprogram running. I didn't buy her lame reasoning- she should have listened to Torres and shut the damned thing down when it first malfunctioned.
 
You know, I'd successfully managed to repress my memory of that episode...

Great, ten years of therapy down the drain... :klingon:
 
For real, though, I still stand by my claim that she shouldn't have given away that holodeck technology in Killing Game. It was very OOC.

I used to feel the same way, but then it occurred to me that the Hirogen had complete control of the holodecks all the way through the episode and were quite adept at using them. I think she traded the holodeck "unit" for possession of the ship--not a bad trade. Yes, she lived to regret it, but hindsight is always 20/20.

The Hirogen didn't have complete control of the holodecks. they had complete control of Harry Kim, who was collaborating with their regime. They threatened to kill people and he buckled. Janeway would have killed everyone to remove the possibility of being used like a puppet by an asshole but Kim is just a gimp who had a month to push the self destruct button and faltered for every second of it.

There was no hindsight reposisitoning her stance on the issue. In Flesh and Blood, Kathy got moody about the possible wrongness of her decision and then Tuvok talked her out of any guilty compunction, reminding the beautiful matron that first: that she is always right, and second that they had been continuously and constantly trading replicator technology for the barest chatskis with anyone and almost everyone with barely checking references and I paraphrase, with out thinking once "the same replicators we have given to people to create food can also be used to make weapons" that it is impossible to think that this one instance was anything different than any other deal they had achieved justification over, and as universally moral as they had always been taking care of business to sustain their lavish standard of living ...I mean honestly, it's like they didn't have some all encompassing law about sharing technology with other races?

Catretaker was ONLY concerned that the Kazon would take the ocampa's water and that they would all die of thirst. Underpinning that threat, Maje Jabin told Neelix that the Ocampa made shitty slaves. The ocampa's only way off that DEAD world was to sublimate over or assimilate into kazon culture as an equal or an overmaster, because lets face it if Kes comparatively was just some stupid turk teenager (the worst Ocampa is as good as the best human?) sleeping with a trucker conman thief 40 times her age, imagine what an earnest and exceptional Ocampa would have been capable of, if not the entire species acting as one to some devious ends?

If kathy or the Caretaker had just given the kazon replicator technology, then they wouldn't have needed the Ocampa's water... And lets not be a complete *&^% about this since Janeways only reason for not giving them replicator tech in the pilot (Prime directive! Being responsible for changing the balance of power!) was that the technology was integrated into their ship, not that seska wasn't able to purloin a shit load of federation tech with out touching any integrated doohickies.

People don't like being patronized. It pisses them off.

I cheered when Kullah sent her sailing across her own, I mean, HIS bridge.
 
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