No. The holograms weren't programed to be violent. There really wasn't much to worry about. She would have shut it down however she tried diplomacy first isn't that the starfleet way.
Janeway's worst decisions?
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No. The holograms weren't programed to be violent. There really wasn't much to worry about. She would have shut it down however she tried diplomacy first isn't that the starfleet way.
So the blame is instead on Kim and Paris for being morons and trying to talk down the angry villagers rather than freezing/ending the program? Or the ship's computer for somehow allowing the villager's weapons to fire real projectiles that could destroy the holodeck controls while the safeties were on?
...I'd still love an explanation for that one, actually...
...I'd still love an explanation for that one, actually...
^ It's the same technology that allowed Janeway to burn a pot roast in a replicator.
That does take talent...
Perhaps as one of the worst decisions I'll add turning off the replicator safeties while cooking. Burnt pot roast...tsk...
Or she really is that bad at cooking.
I didn't bring up Spirit Folk
because I convinced myself that episode never occurred. That one can leave canon along with its good buddy Threshold and never come back, IMO. But if we must count it, I agree she should have turned off the holodecks.Fair Haven can stay if it promises to behave.
I know there's some reasoning behind her Killing Game choice, but it wasn't very her, I guess. She wasn't the same PD-loving person from Seasons 1 and 2, but that was a pretty big PD drop-kick.
I must be the only one who liked spirit folk and I REALLY liked it. I watch FH and SF back to back... with popcorn. I thought it was cute. A hologram is a member of voyagers crew and most of the crew grew attached to those "people". Janeway just didn't want to be too haisty 
and everything turned out just fine.
and everything turned out just fine.
Um.
Tom and Kathy had a big laugh.
"Duuuuude, you didn't rape me, I raped you."
I thought that that postnote was hilarious.
Tom and Kathy had a big laugh.
"Duuuuude, you didn't rape me, I raped you."
I thought that that postnote was hilarious.
She should have agreed to be the mother of Q's children.
^ Actually as Janeway pointed out Q is many things but not a liar. Her objection was to the concept that Q could just "sprinkle some DNA" over the problem. This went against her view that having a child should be something that is done within a committed relationship.
Q thought he could just father a child and walk away - that's the part Janeway wanted no part of.
Q thought he could just father a child and walk away - that's the part Janeway wanted no part of.
Janeway walked away from her kids she had with Tom, and how many times did we ever hear her say she missed her dogs after the pilot?
Oh, and Caretaker offered her the same thing in the pilot and she said no, but it just gets down to a question of how you butter her and chat her up, that Janeway and the entire crew "made babies" with the quicksilver entities form the Demon planet, and she just walked away feeling no responsibilities for fully actualized people containing all there own general knowledge and a less then equal capacity for good and evil. I wonder if Janeway would have left so quickly if she knew that they could just "wish" starships into existence. hells, they could have wished a few dozen Sovereign class Starships thousands more crew to staff all these ships... Janeway could have won the Dominion war in ten minutes if she returned home early enough in possession of these allies and their ability to mirror and massproduce federation tech.
Oh, and Caretaker offered her the same thing in the pilot and she said no, but it just gets down to a question of how you butter her and chat her up, that Janeway and the entire crew "made babies" with the quicksilver entities form the Demon planet, and she just walked away feeling no responsibilities for fully actualized people containing all there own general knowledge and a less then equal capacity for good and evil. I wonder if Janeway would have left so quickly if she knew that they could just "wish" starships into existence. hells, they could have wished a few dozen Sovereign class Starships thousands more crew to staff all these ships... Janeway could have won the Dominion war in ten minutes if she returned home early enough in possession of these allies and their ability to mirror and massproduce federation tech.
I haven't watched through Voyager for years so this is hazy, but it was one of the early episodes and the crew were faced with a sinister anomaly or nebula or something. The senior staff are standing around on the bridge discussing what to do, and Janeway orders all the scientific data transferred to her ready room so she can deal with it. She then walks off to deal with it all by herself, leaving the crew standing around like useless spanners. This annoyed the hell out of me.
I don't mind her taking a look for herself, but with 150 people on Voyager she should have Harry and whole damn science department working on it too!
I don't mind her taking a look for herself, but with 150 people on Voyager she should have Harry and whole damn science department working on it too!
Janeway used to be Owen Paris' science officer, she comes from a science background and struggle as you will... but I do not believe that voyager had a duly titled science officer on staff which is why science jobs usually were shuffled between Operations and engineering.
It's possible that Janeway doubled as the Science Officer? But that would have meant that she had staff of junior science officers that reported directly to her, in the way all the other 0ther section heads had immediate staff.
Maybe it's possible that Voyager because it was (relatively) a dinky little rowboat compared to what the Federation would send on unspecific patrolling missions up a creek without a paddle, it didn't warrant a science officer.
The Equinox on the other hand was a science vessel and might not have had other "sections" staffed wholly due to the narrow selections of missions it could be sent since it was a specialist vessel, and the Equinox is exactly the sort of ship a mid range tactical vessel like Voyager was supposed to call for when it ran into a science problem rather than have a sience staff standing ready which wouldn't be needed for 90 percent of it's short range tactical missions? Alternatively when dealing with what is at first thought to be a science issue in the AQ and they got into a shoot out problem, it's possible then that Nova Class Vessels were supposed to tap Intrepid Class Vessels, like Star Fleet is some sort of "team" that knows how to cooperate and work together unlike the all-powerful war/science/humanitarian Juggernauts Kirk and Picard had the fortune to Captain who as veritable cities in space could do almost anything single handed.
The irony of course being that Kirks Enterprise wasn't much bigger than Voyager.
It's possible that Janeway doubled as the Science Officer? But that would have meant that she had staff of junior science officers that reported directly to her, in the way all the other 0ther section heads had immediate staff.
Maybe it's possible that Voyager because it was (relatively) a dinky little rowboat compared to what the Federation would send on unspecific patrolling missions up a creek without a paddle, it didn't warrant a science officer.
The Equinox on the other hand was a science vessel and might not have had other "sections" staffed wholly due to the narrow selections of missions it could be sent since it was a specialist vessel, and the Equinox is exactly the sort of ship a mid range tactical vessel like Voyager was supposed to call for when it ran into a science problem rather than have a sience staff standing ready which wouldn't be needed for 90 percent of it's short range tactical missions? Alternatively when dealing with what is at first thought to be a science issue in the AQ and they got into a shoot out problem, it's possible then that Nova Class Vessels were supposed to tap Intrepid Class Vessels, like Star Fleet is some sort of "team" that knows how to cooperate and work together unlike the all-powerful war/science/humanitarian Juggernauts Kirk and Picard had the fortune to Captain who as veritable cities in space could do almost anything single handed.
The irony of course being that Kirks Enterprise wasn't much bigger than Voyager.
^Kirk's Enterprise was actually smaller than Voyager was (1960's version, the 2009 one is enourmous). Besides, Voyager could do pretty much everything the bigger Enterprise-D could except seperate.
I got the impression that "operations officer" was pretty much the science guy of the 24th century - TNG didn't have a titled science officer either, and operations officer Data did Spock's old job. Right now all I can remember Harry ever doing is dying, disappointing Janeway and quivering over 15 Borg vessels.
Then again, Dax (mark 1) was science officer of DS9 and she wore blue
Maybe the assigned science chief died on the trip across the galaxy in "Caretaker", and Janeway was filling in until she could get the department sorted out and pick a new head?
I got the impression that "operations officer" was pretty much the science guy of the 24th century - TNG didn't have a titled science officer either, and operations officer Data did Spock's old job. Right now all I can remember Harry ever doing is dying, disappointing Janeway and quivering over 15 Borg vessels.
Then again, Dax (mark 1) was science officer of DS9 and she wore blue
Maybe the assigned science chief died on the trip across the galaxy in "Caretaker", and Janeway was filling in until she could get the department sorted out and pick a new head?
Getting rid of her bun of steel.
I believe Wildman the Older was serving in a Science Officer capacity during "Elogium" at least.
Maybe the science officers were just always off-shift during the episodes.
From what I understand, in the late 24th Century, The Science Stations along with others were merged into the "Ops Station" thus the Senior Ops Officer would have Science Officers, etc as his or her staff
However as Voyager is regarded as a "Long Range Science Vessel" its likely that the ship had an actual Science Officer (much like Spock, etc), perhaps this Officer was either killed during the "Caretaker Abduction" or wasn't scheduled to report for duty until after the Badlans Mission
Once Voyager was in the Delta Quadrant, it seems as though the Science Duties were divided up between Harry, Tuvok and The Doctor and Samantha Wildman (as the most senior Sciences Officer onboard) was occasionly called to the bridge station to assist in Scientific Investigations
Janeway said in Dreadnought "All science officers, report to your stations."
So, really, they must have had a LOT of science officers.
In Dark Frontier she says
This will be a long range tactical rescue. It could take days
And I believe they took the delta flyer on that mission.
I do not think that "long range" means the same to us as Janeway.
Days?
Pishaw.
Janeway also said
"The Equinox is a Nova class ship. It was designed for planetary research, not long-range tactical missions. "
They have a tactical database and have gone to Tactical alert on more than one occasion... Who the hell else other has ever had a tactical officer? The security chief handled all that on the 1701 D, and think that on the defiant EVERYONE was a de facto tactical officer since that boat was basically an engine duct taped to a phaser emitter.
But Voyager was never classified in canon as a mid/long range tactical vessel, even though it's two missions, 4 if you count hope and fear and Friendship One, nabbing Chuckles and trekking home some 70 thousand lightyears could easily either be described as long range tactical missions. Well, one more than the other significantly.
So, really, they must have had a LOT of science officers.
In Dark Frontier she says
This will be a long range tactical rescue. It could take days
And I believe they took the delta flyer on that mission.
I do not think that "long range" means the same to us as Janeway.
Days?
Pishaw.
Janeway also said
"The Equinox is a Nova class ship. It was designed for planetary research, not long-range tactical missions. "
They have a tactical database and have gone to Tactical alert on more than one occasion... Who the hell else other has ever had a tactical officer? The security chief handled all that on the 1701 D, and think that on the defiant EVERYONE was a de facto tactical officer since that boat was basically an engine duct taped to a phaser emitter.
But Voyager was never classified in canon as a mid/long range tactical vessel, even though it's two missions, 4 if you count hope and fear and Friendship One, nabbing Chuckles and trekking home some 70 thousand lightyears could easily either be described as long range tactical missions. Well, one more than the other significantly.
-Not giving the Kazon tech to make water. Just give it to them, then they'll leave you alone.
-Conversely, giving the Hirogen the holodeck technology. This screwed their culture up big time by 'Flesh and Blood'
-Conversely, giving the Hirogen the holodeck technology. This screwed their culture up big time by 'Flesh and Blood'
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