James Kirk in "Discovery"?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by dswynne1, Feb 3, 2019.

  1. Gov Kodos

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    Kirk and Tilly save Disco.

    No one respects folks capable of the tough decisions.
     
  2. King Daniel Beyond

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    I'd like to see a version of Axanar that isn't about a bitter old man moving warehouses and blaming everyone else for their repeated failures.
     
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  3. Jackson_Roykirk

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    I agree. I was just stirring the pot (hence the little devil emoji) and maybe playing advocate for the misguided canon Nazis. :techman:
     
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  4. Rusty0918

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    I know in the novel series, I think according to Memory Beta, Kirk did command some other ship prior to the Enterprise.

    As with his character appearing on DSC, it all depends on how it's done. Although I don't think it's really necessary at the moment to put him in.
     
  5. Turtletrekker

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    If there was a good story reason involved for it that didn't overshadow the main crew, then I would say let's do it. A good story is a good story. If they're doing it just for the sake of doing it, then I would say don't bother. However, you don't want to go too overboard with gratuitous original series guest appearances. The members of Sarek's family are one thing due to Michael's connection to them, but meeting too many members of the future Enterprise crew would start to seem to fanservicey.

    Harry Mudd has been fun, but and I wouldn't be surprised if we see Kor somewhere down the line, but where to stop? Do we want to revolve stories around Cyrano Jones? Matthew Decker? The Ferengi? The Organians?
     
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  6. Timo

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    Well, Matt Decker was a big name in Starfleet. DSC has retroactively established Pike as another big name, and Georgiou as a former big name. It's their prerogative to establish further folks as big names, too - but neither their in-universe-driven duty nor a particularly good move from them.

    The Ferengi are automatically a big name, as are the Borg, though. What possible reason would they have to be absent from the 2250s? The very same mechanism that kept them unseen by Kirk (they value their privacy) is valid for keeping them unseen by Burnham, too - but the audience knows they are there, so perhaps it would be fun to let the Emperor or Tyler see them?

    The Ferengi and the Borg are special in being everywhere, though - a bit different from the homebody Organians who explicitly take no interest in human affairs. Few other folks we already know of would be everywhere...

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  7. Turtletrekker

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    Again, I am fine with it if there's a good story involved. But not every story has to have fanservice. There's already a certain amount of fanservice built in with including Sarek' family as main players. Some already say that that's too much. I'm not one of them, but it's a fine line to tread.
     
  8. Paul Weaver

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    I like the idea of season 4 will have a Klingon-Ferengi war

    I think they should bring Kirk back -- as a digitally de-aged shatner, cleaning the floor at the back of the bridge on a viewscreen and taking orders from Tilly.

    This will ensure it will cost to much to bring him back full time, but they can't recast because we've already seen him (same way they couldn't recast Saavik)
     
  9. Timo

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    ST:TNG already went and ruined it all for us, by showing that Star Trek stories can also be not about Kirk, Spock and the Klingons... Otherwise, it would have been a perfectly valid storytelling approach for Star Trek to concentrate on just twenty or so people in a big universe. After all, that's what most forms of entertainment do.

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  10. Shamrock Holmes

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    Uh? Saavik was recast (for III & IV).
     
  11. Cyrus

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    I think it was a joke. :lol:
     
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  12. BillJ

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    James R. Kirk or GTFO.
     
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  13. Timo

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    "I lost a brother once."
    -James T. Kirk.

    There's a story behind that one. And no, not of George. Nobody likes to talk about George.

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  14. valkyrie013

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    If it fits the plot, then maybe. But to just shoe horn in the old Tos cast to just do it, is crap. Its suppose to be its own show, let it be its own show.

    Now Bubba Kirk, now you can show him all you want!
     
  15. Ovation

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    The story is about Spock. There is hardly anything less mysterious in Trek than the identity of Kirk’s “brother” when the line is spoken.
     
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  16. Timo

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    Heh. But the thing is, Kirk specifically says he lost "a" brother "once", and we all can tell this is a lie. So adding sixteen other siblings is only fair.

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  17. eschaton

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    IMHO if Kirk shows up in the third season - unless it's a tiny cameo - it's basically Discovery throwing in the towel/jumping the shark. At that point, why not just cancel the show and do a full-on TOS revival?
     
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  18. Zod

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    They turned Spock into an escaped mental patient who allegedly murders his doctors.

    I would hope they treat the character with respect and not turn him into something else just to be edgy.
     
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  19. Timo

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    Turning Spock into a homicidal maniac isn't treating the character with respect? Go tell Ted Sturgeon! :vulcan:

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  20. BillJ

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    Even in "Amok Time" Spock wasn't a homicidal maniac.