James Kirk in "Discovery"?

[Dar70]

Not enjoying what kind of success? Being cancelled and moving to another service?

Star Trek has always been standard sci-fi fare. Indeed, it pretty much is the very text book definition of standard sci-fi fare.

Well YouTube is getting out of making tv shows. So it wasnt cancelled because of quality. Cobra Kai was a hit for them and Netflux quickly snapped it up. Pubert does make a good point though. The producers of Cobra Kai know there fans and kept the tone of the show pretty consistant with what came before. NuTrek has not done this. Sure bones are thrown but that is about it. No one expects things to be like before but a little consistancy goes a long way. Someone will come in now and say...."Oh but Rek has has many producers, writers and it is supposed to reflect contemporary times BS. Blah Blah. No it doesn't. It should at least adhere to basic established continuity. Sure there will always be errors but damn Kurtzman and Crew really dont care all that much. ENTERPRISE did a hell of a better job than these newer shows. Picard isnt all bad except for Replacing Picard with an Android. Pure stupidity.

They had such a hard time keeping Discovery consistant they had to forever ban them far into the future....lmao
..lets hope Strange New Worlds does a bit better. Because Pike is really the only good thing to come out of Discovery.

 

[fireproof78]

Trek being consistent is not always its goal. TNG created that illusion but that wasn't way.

 

[The Wormhole]

Well YouTube is getting out of making tv shows. So it wasnt cancelled because of quality. Cobra Kai was a hit for them and Netflux quickly snapped it up.

It's still a meaningless comparison. Since none of the current Trek shows have been cancelled, we don't know that they wouldn't be picked up by another service if they were.

It should at least adhere to basic established continuity.

Which Star Trek never has. If Star Trek adhered strictly to that which was established first, the Enterprise would be commanded by Captain James R Kirk, Spock would be a Vulcanian with tendencies to smile and shout, and his race would have been conquered by humans. Oh yeah, and humans would be conquerors. And the show would be set in the 28th century or whatever was said in Squire of Gothos.

 

[XCV330]

You don’t even like classic trek and have admitted to not watching all of tng. You’re the breed of fan that like standard sci fi that looks like all the others. Just like Picard overuse of cheap holographic button displays. Every show and movie is using this cheap effect and it’s so overused now and cheap.

but ze blinkenlights or backlit static displays look so refreshing and unique?

even when I was very young in the early 80's i would imagine there was much more to TOS controls and displays than what we saw, because what we saw were jellybeans, sliders and screens that never changed. Imagining those supplemented with holographic displays works perfectly fine.

since you are categorizing fans into breeds, I think the "Breed of fan" that is hoping Strange New Worlds will be the Great White Hope of trek are going to be disapointed, again.

 

[fireproof78]

since you are categorizing fans into breeds, I think the "Breed of fan" that is hoping Strange New Worlds will be the Great White Hope of trek are going to be disapointed, again.

Indeed. It seems that Trek has been trapped inside a specific box and will never satisfy those who want Trek in that box.

 

[XCV330]

 

[Dar70]

It's still a meaningless comparison. Since none of the current Trek shows have been cancelled, we don't know that they wouldn't be picked up by another service if they were.

Which Star Trek never has. If Star Trek adhered strictly to that which was established first, the Enterprise would be commanded by Captain James R Kirk, Spock would be a Vulcanian with tendencies to smile and shout, and his race would have been conquered by humans. Oh yeah, and humans would be conquerors. And the show would be set in the 28th century or whatever was said in Squire of Gothos.

I said basic and I also said there are always gonna be error. But they have not stuck with what came before. How hard is it to make the Enterprise at the proper interior scale? How hard is it to not make Klingons with big cone heads? It's not hard but they didn't want to do it.

Star trek is like an person trying to justify a bad diet. Well im already Fat soooooo, we all die soooooo. 70% of a persons health issues is caused by a bad diet. "70%"of treks continuity issues is caused by bad writing. They dont care anymore. Just like that unhealthy person doesn't care anymore.

The point is why intentionally add to what already is a pretty messed up continuity. Its the worse i have seen disregarding continuity both visually and verbally. Tng,Ds9, Voyager and Ent did better job. They just did. Again none were perfect but at least they tried. I saw nothing in the first season of Discovery where the producers even attempted to maintain a believable prequel of TOS. Again and i have said this NUMEROUS time....not expecting cheap sets and exact uniforms etc.

That said I did like the phaser props and communicator props. The exterior of the discovery is modern yet retro.

The second season they tried to fix the Klingon look a bit and despite with many claim Discovery was indeed sent far in the future to give the writers more freedom. It should not have been that hard to write 10 year before prequel show. It really should not have. I can visualize right now what a good 10 year before prequel show could have been.

I laugh at all the complaints the Star Wars prequels got and all the defense Star Trek gets with it concerns these issues. The SW prequels did a great job at maintaining both a visual (with slight updates) and story continuity...compared to Trek. Yet to this day people are still pissed Anakin put together 3po.lol

 

[fireproof78]

It should not have been that hard to write 10 year before prequel show. It really should not have. I can visualize right now what a good 10 year before prequel show could have been.

For you, and possibly for me but that doesn't make it good automatically for the general audience. And Trek is trying to reach out and entertain the biggest possible audience. It is critical for it to change.

Again, Trek is trapped in a box. Except, Trek will ignore its own continuity whenever it damn well pleases.

ETA: Adjusted tone to sound less confrontational.

 

[Dar70]

Except, Trek will ignore its own continuity whenever it damn well pleases.

ETA: Adjusted tone to sound less confrontational.

And that's the problem .

 

[fireproof78]

And that's the problem .

If (big if) it is a problem then it rest with Roddenberry.

 

[XCV330]

And that's the problem .

It's not a problem. It's a decades old franchise. Like an old ship that somehow manages to keep on sailing, it succeeds by being able to shrug off the inconsistencies and with a crew that understands it enough to know how to bail it out in a hurry. Trying to expect it to be something it isn't, will not work for long.

Getting fantastical, which fans do, doesn't help it survive. Fans can help a show. Fans saved TOS. Fans saved Expanse. But listening to them too much is problematic and best avoided. They did write a prequel to TOS. They moved on. Strange New Worlds is still in that same time period. So will Sec.51 most likely.

Discovery is a different kind of show, and I don't think it will ever be what a lot of people wanted it to be.

 

[TRON JA307020]

It's still a meaningless comparison. Since none of the current Trek shows have been cancelled, we don't know that they wouldn't be picked up by another service if they were.

Which Star Trek never has. If Star Trek adhered strictly to that which was established first, the Enterprise would be commanded by Captain James R Kirk, Spock would be a Vulcanian with tendencies to smile and shout, and his race would have been conquered by humans. Oh yeah, and humans would be conquerors. And the show would be set in the 28th century or whatever was said in Squire of Gothos.

it is a fair comparison. Cobra Kai is loved by the fan base and is

For you, and possibly for me but that doesn't make it good automatically for the general audience. And Trek is trying to reach out and entertain the biggest possible audience. It is critical for it to change.

Again, Trek is trapped in a box. Except, Trek will ignore its own continuity whenever it damn well pleases.

ETA: Adjusted tone to sound less confrontational.

So yeah they dumbed it down and made the characters act, talk and dress like 20th century people to reach the widest audience. Yeah real good sci fi.

 

[fireproof78]

So yeah they dumbed it down and made the characters act, talk and dress like 20th century people to reach the widest audience. Yeah real good sci fi.

Yes, because people should be able to relate to characters.
Agree to disagree at this point. You pretty much have made up your mind and not willing to see any other perspective, not willing to see where characters in TNG have behaved the same way. Picard is not all drinking and swearing, anymore than TNG characters are all emotionless robots. I've seen enough of TNG to know they are capable of feelings and acting upon revenge feelings. We see it with Picard. Doesn't make them less evolved-it makes them humans, going through the human experience that has been ongoing for a long time.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Yes, because people should be able to relate to characters.
Agree to disagree at this point. You pretty much have made up your mind and not willing to see any other perspective, not willing to see where characters in TNG have behaved the same way. Picard is not all drinking and swearing, anymore than TNG characters are all emotionless robots. I've seen enough of TNG to know they are capable of feelings and acting upon revenge feelings. We see it with Picard. Doesn't make them less evolved-it makes them humans, going through the human experience that has been ongoing for a long time.

Lol. So I guess you hate Star Wars because you can’t relate to the characters. This is science fiction if you want reliable characters that fit your life watch contemporary stuff set in your own time. Somehow humanity in tng goes from being evolved and no longer as a whole a violent species to a terrible race as data says in the last episode of Picard. Really. That you can’t see the difference and to actually think that the continuity fits is beyond me. It’s like the people putting these shows together were not really Star Trek fans. It’s like they want to make Star Wars with In a star trek universe. Pathetic

 

[fireproof78]

Lol. So I guess you hate Star Wars because you can’t relate to the characters. This is science fiction if you want reliable characters that fit your life watch contemporary stuff set in your own time. Somehow humanity in tng goes from being evolved and no longer as a whole a violent species to a terrible race as data says in the last episode of Picard. Really. That you can’t see the difference and to actually think that the continuity fits is beyond me. It’s like the people putting these shows together were not really Star Trek fans. It’s like they want to make Star Wars with In a star trek universe. Pathetic

I relate to Luke, so no, to not enjoying Star Wars. Those characters are very relatable. So are the TOS characters.

I see the difference in the characters-I think it makes sense based upon what has happened in the world.

The fact that there is constant accusations of "not real Trek fans" makes this whole exercise futile. Assumptions upon assumptions and insults upon insults heaped at people who cannot defend themselves. It's unfortunate because it adds little.

 

[Lord Garth]

No. It's true. I'm not a real Star Trek fan. I only got my username from a character in a deep cut episode of TOS called "Whom Gods Destroy" who never even appeared again. I only watched new episodes from 1991 to 1999 (oh no! I didn't stick with it all the way to 2005!) and again from 2017 on. I'm not a real fan. I post here. On this board.

I'm not a fan. TOS aired over night on my local station when I was in high school. My parents wouldn't let me watch TOS at midnight on a school night. If I were a Real Fan, I would've given them Hell and watched it anyway. But, being a non-fan, I just set the VCR to record the every episode so I could watch them the next day.

If I were a real fan, I wouldn't have watched TUC in the theater three times when it came out. No, I would've begged my mother to take me every week because that's what Real Fans do.

Silly me.

 

[Timo]

I guess the thing is, if somebody doesn't insist on "staying true to Roddenberry's VISHUN!!!" or "remembering that phasers on stun are green in 2267", we no longer have Star Trek. We just have general space show entertainment, of which there is no shortage as such.

I want my Star Trek. That is, I want a show that is discernibly Star Trek, even if the distinction is that it has clumsy pointy-ear makeup and 1960s attitudes. I can get my good scifi anywhere, including but definitely not limited to Star Trek. I still want my Star Trek.

...But not Star Trek as made by me. I wouldn't have chosen the way TPTB did in most cases; Star Trek is not my ideal scifi show, and never has been. Thankfully, it's not my job to write it. I just get to enjoy it - but only if it's my bittersweet mixture of distinct Star Trek features, rather than mere good entertainment.

(It's not much to ask, mind you. DSC is doing just fine so far in catering for me. And it's always good to add some Kirk, Spock and Klingons to the mix, even if going without for a spinoff or two nicely heightens the expectations.)

Timo Saloniemi

 

[fireproof78]

I want my Star Trek. That is, I want a show that is discernibly Star Trek

I guess that's where I fail as a fan because DSC is discernable Trek to me.

And, even if it is generic science fiction (I cannot argue that but no doubt many will) it is highly entertaining, an enjoyable expansion of the world I know.

So, yeah, not a Trek fan either. @Lord Garth and I are part of the same club.

 

[DaveyNY]

No. It's true. I'm not a real Star Trek fan. I only got my username from a character in a deep cut episode of TOS called "Whom Gods Destroy" who never even appeared again. I only watched new episodes from 1991 to 1999 (oh no! I didn't stick with it all the way to 2005!) and again from 2017 on. I'm not a real fan. I post here. On this board.

I'm not a fan. TOS aired over night on my local station when I was in high school. My parents wouldn't let me watch TOS at midnight on a school night. If I were a Real Fan, I would've given them Hell and watched it anyway. But, being a non-fan, I just set the VCR to record the every episode so I could watch them the next day.

If I were a real fan, I wouldn't have watched TUC in the theater three times when it came out. No, I would've begged my mother to take me every week because that's what Real Fans do.

Silly me.

heh ... if that's the case...
Then I gave up on Star Trek back in 1966.

 

[XCV330]

admit it, our pulses all pick up a bit at the first 4 notes of that Courage theme music