James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful)

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful

James Cawley has made a statement over at www.trekmovie.com, which reads in part:

I do not know who started the rumor that that the new Enterprise "has wings," but I certainly did not. I have been asked by Anthony to try and describe what I saw, and all I will say is that the ship design seems to borrow heavily from "Contemporary Trek". That is as much as I feel comfortable in sharing.

Okay, no wings. Everybody got that? Custer?

Now, I'll have a drumstick. Thanks.

 

[AudioBridge]

Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful

Over at trekmovie.com Cawley says: all I will say is that the ship design seems to borrow heavily from “Contemporary Trek”. That is as much as I feel comfortable in sharing.

That's about the worst thing I could hear about how they're approaching the 1701. Redesign? Fine, if you want to fix what isn't broken, whatever. But more of the same? No thanks. It would have been nice to hear the design changes they've made are more original than that.

 

[StCoop]

Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful

So is the OP going to explain why he misrepresented Cawley's comments and just plain made stuff up?

The Enterprise will still look like the Enterprise, just in a much more detailed version than the original, as I suspected all along.

 

[Sharr Khan]

Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful

the ship design seems to borrow heavily from "Contemporary Trek"

Well that's nebulous.

Sharr

 

[AJBryant]

Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful

General_Custer said:
he uses the words RADICALLY CHANGED about the ship. I believe him.

That is a relative concept. One person's "radical change" is another person's "meh."

Heck, the Enterprise went through a few changes of her own over the course of the show (nacelles with pointy front, nacelles with domed front; nacelles with ball in the back, nacelles withOUT balls in the back...). Those changes may strike someone of an engineering bent to say "that's a radical change -- it implies a total redesign of the engines." Others will go, "Meh, cosmetics."

Tony

 

[Opus]

Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful

Sharr Khan said:

the ship design seems to borrow heavily from "Contemporary Trek"

Well that's nebulous.

Sharr

Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. And that kind of ticks me off too.

If there's been no problem with Parmount about you sharing the fact that you've seen the new design, and you feel more than welcome to criticize said design, why are you all of a sudden being so coy about the design details? Give us a break already...

That said, I'm happy to hear that the ship doesn't have wings, or land on a planet as some here have suggested. That just been some of the dumbest misinformation I've read thus far. To those involved in such a campaign, try at least to sound more legit than you are currently coming off as. It's rather pathetic. People don't believe you and are just plain mocking you now.

Although, the mocking about the flapping nacelles was very funny!

 

[StCoop]

Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful

It's quite clear from his comments that ANY change from the original is a change too far for Cawley, which pretty much renders what he has to say less than useful.

 

[Sharr Khan]

Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful

AJBryant said:

General_Custer said:
he uses the words RADICALLY CHANGED about the ship. I believe him.

That is a relative concept. One person's "radical change" is another person's "meh."

Heck, the Enterprise went through a few changes of her own over the course of the show (nacelles with pointy front, nacelles with domed front; nacelles with ball in the back, nacelles withOUT balls in the back...). Those changes may strike someone of an engineering bent to say "that's a radical change -- it implies a total redesign of the engines." Others will go, "Meh, cosmetics."

Tony

Hmm people seem to be taking "Contemporary Trek" to mean Next Generation in style - but you know what makes me doubt that? Those pics of young Spock. From what we seen the one doesn't jive with the other. I can only go by what I have personally seen and in this case what young Spock looks like leaves me with another impression then what James seems to have gotten.

Is there a happy in-between someplace? Perhaps not for hardcore Trek fans...

Sharr

 

[JBElliott]

Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful

By "Contemporary Trek" I'm guessing that it means the Enterprise has lot's of "aztecking" panels and swept back nacelles that aren't cylindrical in cross section and that the overall look of the ship is more aerodynamic than TOS Enterprise. I'd guess the sensor array was gone as well replaced by something more like the ones in the movie.

 

[AJBryant]

Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful

Sharr Khan said:
Hmm people seem to be taking "Contemporary Trek" to mean Next Generation in style - but you know what makes me doubt that?

In my mind, that means glowing red domes and neon blue strips on the nacelles -- something I personally abhor in the "old Trek" NX-01, but don't mind in the "higher tech Trek" of the TNG generation. Since there was no such glowy bit in TOS, any addition of it would just seem.... wrong.


Tony

 

[RoJoHen]

Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful

There's no such thing as a happy medium for hardcore fans of anything. It's either one way, or it's wrong.

I just hope it doesn't look dumb.

 

[Sharr Khan]

Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful

AJBryant said:

Sharr Khan said:
Hmm people seem to be taking "Contemporary Trek" to mean Next Generation in style - but you know what makes me doubt that?

In my mind, that means glowing red domes and neon blue strips on the nacelles -- something I personally abhor in the "old Trek" NX-01, but don't mind in the "higher tech Trek" of the TNG generation. Since there was no such glowy bit in TOS, any addition of it would just seem.... wrong.


Tony

The point I was going for, that which you describe above doesn't fit organically with the looks of "young Spock" as we've all glimpsed.

I guess I work from the pov that movies and their production are something of a unified-organic model so seeing Spock and having an assertion made that the Enterprise is "radically designed with a 'Contemporary Trek Style' aka TNG glowy things" doesn't mesh and makes me doubt that such a radical thing has taken place.

Hard to judge without a more detailed description. However I bet this leads to a "leak" pretty soon.

Sharr

 

[ralph]

Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful

Enterprise with wings?
Would it be this?

 

[JBElliott]

Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful

I actually wouldn't mind some blue glow on the inner parts of the nacelles behind the grid. I'd also like to see the fan blades replace by the red swirling plasma as in this picture:

as well as the red glowing impuse engines and some luminescence from the globes on the end of the nacelles. I'd hate to see any "aztecking" panelling on the ship.

 

[zenophite]

Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful

it seems unlikely that abrahms would toy with the enterprise design too much... i'd think they'd want something recognizable as kirks ship...

 

[JBElliott]

Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful

Recognizable by who? I'm not sure the average movie goer could tell the difference at fist glance who was the captain of which Enterprise going from Archer and the NX-01 to Picard and his Enterpises.

 

[zenophite]

Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful

JBElliott said:
Recognizable by who? I'm not sure the average movie goer could tell the difference at fist glance who was the captain of which Enterprise going from Archer and the NX-01 to Picard and his Enterpises.

all the more reason why it would be a mistake to try to use a 60's era ship in the movie - general audiences would hardly find it believable.

many of you may have seen his work before but the full mock up made by zoic artist gabe koerner is a nice compromise between old and new.

 

[Franklin]

Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful

There was a rationalization for the Enterprise looking different in STMP, the refit.
But in reality, if you compared the "refit" Enterprise to the TOS ship, while the basics are there, they are so different in proportions that it takes a leap of faith to say that the ship in STMP is merely the refitted TOS ship.

That's what's going to be required this time. A leap of faith, but with no rationalization. And after all, the STMP refit turned out to be more beautiful than the original.

 

[zenophite]

Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful

Franklin said:And after all, the STMP refit turned out to be more beautiful than the original.

Agreed!

 

[Basil]

Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful

Actually, is it possible that the redesign is because of a ruptured timeline, the result of the meddling by the Romulans, and that the Enterprise we see for the majority of the film is a different ship than the one that ultimately comes through when the timeline is restored?