Jakotay

[Udat]

I have always felt that Janeway should have had a partner (sexual,) throughout the seven seasons. Personally I don`t believe a woman like Janeway would be single for very long in any situation. (Just look at Mulgrew, is she single?) However this never happened, (holograms?! Oh the horror!)

So do you agree?!
Do you think Janeway should have sexual partner,(s,)?

 

[Adm_Hawthorne]

I think pairing her with a freaking hologram was slap in the face to everyone... not just the shippers.

I also think that, as soon as she got the Dear John letter from Mark, she should have started at least considering the dating scene because it was getting pretty clear by then that she could quite possibly be alone for 70 some-odd years.

Janeway was just too dynamic a person to be alone for that long. I really feel her logical self would finally work out that it would okay to find love, and she would know her crew would not hold it against her.

Instead, Kate Mulgrew decided Janeway should have a martyr complex. Janeway should feel she shouldn't be allowed to have a relationship not only because of SF regulations but because she just didn't feel she deserved it after stranding two crews in the DQ.

Bullshit.

Kate made Kathryn irrational about relationships.

Grown, adult, forward thinking women can handle both a command and a relationship.

Now, who she should have gone with is another matter entirely. I think we all know what ship I'm for.

 

[Udat]

^ The Lizards?!

 

[Purdy Bear]

As a Captain of a ship, she had to keep herself seperate to a certain extent. Anyone who has been in a hierachrical structure can understand this and its reasons. I however do believe she should have been able to date and even married, it would have rounded the character off nicely.

I do believe Chakotay would have been a good choice, but the dynamics of winning the Captains hand would have made a great long undercurrent, if there were several would be partners.

 

[TheGodBen]

There was no option for a Janeway/Seven/B'Elanna threeway, so I voted for the generic same-sex partnership option.

 

[Deckerd]

There was no option for a Janeway/Seven/B'Elanna threeway, so I voted for the generic same-sex partnership option.

I gasp with surprise.

 

[Adm_Hawthorne]

There was no option for a Janeway/Seven/B'Elanna threeway, so I voted for the generic same-sex partnership option.

A Borg, a Klingon, and a Human walk into a BDSM shop...

I never felt the triad pairing was very practical for these three. I mean, B'Elanna would have blown poor Seven's mind...

 

[Zameaze]

There was no option for a Janeway/Seven/B'Elanna threeway, so I voted for the generic same-sex partnership option.

I like your thinking, but the thought of anybody having voluntary sex with Janeway is just...creepy.

 

[Udat]

There was no option for a Janeway/Seven/B'Elanna threeway, so I voted for the generic same-sex partnership option.

A Borg, a Klingon, and a Human walk into a BDSM shop...

I never felt the triad pairing was very practical for these three. I mean, B'Elanna would have blown poor Seven's mind...

I do love it when polls go bad.

 

[Edinburgh]

I voted More holograms less people

I thought Fair haven was one of Janeways better episodes.

On one side she's a hardened captain of a starship but on the other she's human like the rest of us. We all have needs. The conversation between her and the doc was great. Janeway saying, this is no way for a captain to act, and the doc saying bollocks get back in there hen.

Getting down and dirty with a hologram should be enough for any starfleet captain.

 

[Adm_Hawthorne]

Getting down and dirty with a hologram should be enough for any starfleet captain.

I can't imagine that Kathryn wouldn't like to have her lover be able to be with her at all times instead of only when a holoprojector was around.

Besides, holograms can't possibly be warm or feel quite like the real deal.

Of course, I still think she should have hooked with Seven, who is part machine. So, I might be flying a double standard there.

 

[Joeman]

I always thought that Chakotay would have been the natural choice. Especially after that really good episode where they were stuck on the planet together. I think they had good chemistry that would lead naturally into a romantic relationship.

I've seen all the stuff on here about the "J/C'ers", but that's the first time I've seen "Jakotay" (although I'm sure it's been used before). That's good.

 

[Adm_Hawthorne]

I always thought that Chakotay would have been the natural choice. Especially after that really good episode where they were stuck on the planet together. I think they had good chemistry that would lead naturally into a romantic relationship.

"Resolutions"

It was called "Resolutions" because the writers were trying to resolve the unspoken sexual tension between them. It didn't work. In fact, it made it much worse.

But, the point of his 'angry warrior' speech was to let Kathryn know that, even if they never had a sexual relationship, he would always be by her side as her friend and confidant. So, I'm not sure how the writers thought that was going to resolve the sexual tension.

Frankly, it was like throwing a raw steak in a lion's den and saying, "Okay, ignore that. That's just there to let you know we know you like that kind of thing." Then, the lions attack, and they realize it's a fake.

It wasn't until late season 3/early season 4 that the tension between the two of them really slacked off. By then, Seven was in the picture. I'm sure that had a lot to do with it.

 

[Joeman]

"Resolutions"

Thank you! At 46, my memory ain't what it used to be. To get most ep titles, I have to refer to the "big notebook", and I didn't feel like whipping it out.

 

[kimc]

JCer here. It didn't have to happen immediately though. I would have been ok with sometime in Season 7.

 

[Adm_Hawthorne]

"Resolutions"

Thank you! At 46, my memory ain't what it used to be. To get most ep titles, I have to refer to the "big notebook", and I didn't feel like whipping it out.

Glad to help!

 

[auntieprise1701]

I remember an episode of TNG--Captain Picard fell in love with a scientist and then had to send her on a away mission, she almost died. He realized that it would have been impossible for him to send his wife on a mission that could kill her and he couldn't play favorites by keeping her on Enterprise & not letting her do her job. I think Kathryn felt the same way. She was resonsible for everyone on Voyager, if they died under her command, she would accept that. What if it was her husband that she sent away and never came back? ('Isabo's Shirt' for the STV-Distant Shores novel touched on this.) When the Admiral came back in 'Endgame', she came back while Chakotay was entering another relationship, as she was the one who would have married him to Seven, did she come back at that time to keep that union from happening? I enjoyed 'Resolutions' very much. It allowed Kathryn and Chakotay to get to know each other as Starfleet Officers, not at Captain and Former Maquis. I noticed that after the episode, Kathryn finally saw Chakotay as her First Officer, he was the only one who called her Kathryn (can you imagine not ever hearing someone call you by your name?). She would confide in him first, they could say what ever they wanted to each other and never lost each others respect. Whenever they disagreed they always made it work.

 

[JanewayRulz!]

did she come back at that time to keep that union from happening?

No. Remember when she was at his gravesite on Earth?

JANEWAY: I know it wasn't easy living all these years without her Chakotay, but when I'm through things might be better for all of us. Trust me.

It was called "Resolutions" because the writers were trying to resolve the unspoken sexual tension between them. It didn't work. In fact, it made it much worse.

I always took the term "resolutions" to mean something else as I alluded to recently in another thread.

At the end of the ep, when they both stand there staring at each other sadly, I do "hear" Janeway telepathically telling her lover that their relationship has to stay on New Earth. She doesn't have Picard's option to transfer her lover to another ship, so she has to leave "him" on New Earth.

Sniff.

 

[Katie_Oclare]

I would have settled just for her to get laid every now and then.

 

[Zameaze]

I would have settled just for her to get laid every now and then.

No...no...no. Don't even think about it. The whore of it all is too much to bear.