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Jack Ryan TV show, can the books happen in the present day?

Yeah, that's backward. Deputy Director (Intelligence) - i.e. "heading up analysis" - is not a demotion. That's like screwing up in accounting and being "busted" to CFO.

So, they must use the same research deartment as every Star Trek writing team...
I need to go back to the first episode and see exactly what his job title is (just did....he's head of "T-FAD"...whatever that is)...but he's not deputy director. He's working for him. They keep saying "How does a station chief get PNG'd back to headquarters? What'd he do?" "I heard he threw an asset out a window." "He must've done something." Then it's explained much later what he actually did, and how he royally screwed his career.

He and Ryan don't like each other initially. He just pairs up with him once Ryan's theory actually turns out solid. Then they're like a team for the rest of the show.
 
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I need to go back to the first episode and see exactly what his job title is (just did....he's head of "T-FAD"...whatever that is)...but he's not deputy director. He's working for him. They keep saying "How does a station chief get PNG'd back to headquarters? What'd he do?" "I heard he threw an asset out a window." "He must've done something." Then it's explained much later what he actually did, and how he royally screwed his career.

He and Ryan don't like each other initially. He just pairs up with him once Ryan's theory actually turns out solid. Then they're like a team for the rest of the show.
Okay, so I'm utterly lost...but not utterly lost enough that I want to actually try watching it, so I'll just accept that explanation.
 
According to Wikipedia's article on the show, TFAD = Terror, Finance and Arms Division, which seems like quite an ambiguous title to say the least. My guess was Terror - Financial Analysis Division - in other words, backroom operatives following the money. I assume there is no such division as TFAD or T-FAD in reality and the writers will make its scope whatever they think convenient to the plot - much like what happened in Homeland.
 
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That's exactly what starts everything....they follow the money transactions and figure out that there's a terror guy planning something. A friend of mine told me "This is like Homeland." I have no idea, since I've never watched that show.
 
It also sounds like the off-the-books anti-terror outfit Clancy made up for The Teeth of The Tiger, which isn't his best work. It's the Ryan Junior plays Bond book.
 
Yeah, I think the Clancy novels would still work with just some minor tweaking maybe. A lot of the basic plots still work, only the setting has changed.

I would love a faithful adaptation of one of the novels where Jack Ryan is President. Executive Orders would be perfect. It has a great premise: a reluctant hero who suddenly becomes President after an attack decimates the entire government and has to deal with holding the country together as well as avert a looming global attack. It could make for a great patriotic thriller if done right.
 
I wrote this for a review thread in The Forum that Shall Not Be Named, but reposting here:

I enjoyed Amazon's Jack Ryan series. Limiting the series to eight episodes avoided the tendency these action-adventure streaming shows have of action up front to hook you, numerous episodes of nothing much happening, and then action in the finale. This spread the wealth fairly evenly throughout the whole run. There weren't any boring or filler episodes.

They made some pretty major changes to James Greer's character (originally played by James Earl Jones in the films), making him a Muslim convert (which is fine, but plays only a minor role in the plot, which is odd given the subject matter this season, which you would have presumed would be the reason for the change), something of a hothead, an experienced field operative rather than a desk jockey, and removing any reference whatsoever to his naval career and rank of admiral, which was a defining and important characteristic of his that played heavily into the plot of several stories. Now he's a career CIA field man who was disgraced in his prior Head of Station post in Pakistan and is trying to regain his reputation. I'm not one of those people who minds terribly that they change character backgrounds, though I was just surprised because being an admiral was so prominently a part of his identity. The excellent Wendell Pierce from The Wire plays the role well, though, and I have no complaints about the execution of the re-imagined character.

Krasinski's Ryan is essentially the same character, an ex-Marine injured in a helicopter crash (though they had it take place during Iraq rather than a domestic training accident this time, and made one other major change to the circumstances of the crash which I'll leave unspoiled) who went on to work on Wall Street and then as a terrorism financing analyst at the CIA and eventually just straight intelligence analysis and increasingly serving in the field against his wishes and better judgment as time goes on. You can make a drinking game out of the number of times he laments that he's "just an analyst". The show is sadly lacking a Dwight character in the CIA office or even one Jim Face where he side-eyes the camera.;) Krasinski is believable in his reluctant action hero role.

The show handled the motivations of the terrorist leader Suleiman (played by Ali Suliman) in a relatively nuanced way that helps you understand how he became a terrorist. As a child he lost family and friends and was severely burned in the Israeli anti-PLO aerial bombings in the Bekaa Valley in Lebanon in the 80s, was rejected out of college in the 90s in his banking job in his new home in France for trying to innovate with digital banking transfers (which years later features in the plot, bringing financial analyst Ryan in), was abused and imprisoned for several years by French police who were profiling and harassing his brother for being Muslim (in prison is where he mostly became radicalized while trying to survive), went to Iraq to fight the American and coalition invaders, and fought against Assad in Syria, which is where he ended up forming his own group. He's not a nice guy by any stretch of the imagination, and does horrifying things to civilians and his family which are not in any way justified by what he's gone through, but I appreciated that they gave him a realistic and nuanced background for his radicalization.

His wife Hanin (played by Dina Shihabi) is terrified of the change that has come over her husband and by what he has become and seeks to get her family away from from, initiating a major subplot of the series. She was fine with him fighting in Iraq and in Syria against Assad, but his planned terrorist attacks on civilians (which she doesn't know the details of, but can see the buildup) and the changes to his personality cross the line for her and she decides to leave to join the Syrian refugees fleeing to Turkey and eventually Europe by sea.

Ryan's girlfriend (daughter of his former boss) and soon to be wife Dr. Cathy Mueller is well played by Abbie Cornish, and it's mildly spoilery but I'll just say her role as an epidemiologist (rather than an ophthalmologist) comes into play heavily towards the end of the show, and makes for an uncomfortable outing (to her) of Jack's status as a CIA officer rather than his cover as a State Dept. wonk when she's called in to consult on a military/intelligence briefing because of her expertise on diseases.

There are some plot elements that might have been inspired by The Sum of All Fears and Executive Orders used in the show (not Jack as President or a nuke, which aren't in this), but this is mostly a new storyline and Ryan's third filmic origin story, though it hits the major points of his backstory, including his Dad being a Baltimore cop (who died of cancer), as chronicled in Without Remorse.

There's a subplot about a conflicted drone pilot (John Magaro) who regrets the innocent lives he's taken that you think is going to shoehorn back into the main terrorism plot somehow, but refreshingly it's just about him feeling ashamed about what he's done and wanting to make amends. I say this not to spoil anyone but so that you don't waste your time theorizing on what's going to happen to this guy, which they kind of misleadingly play up. He's basically just there to serve as a commentary on drone policy, and has a poignant moment with the surviving family (a grandfather and child) of one of his airstrike victims, though it stretches credibility somewhat that he could so easily travel into the middle of a warzone unescorted.

The show does lean very heavily on the acronyms, and makes little attempt to explain most of them or even provide context clues for some of them. I was a military brat, a Clancy reader, and keep up to date on military and government developments but even I found it kind of baffling at times.

The second season of the show will feature Russia as the main adversaries (which is hinted at in Greer's new assignment at the end of the show). As if. That's so Cold War.;)

I'd give the show a "B+" grade. Not perfect, but pretty enjoyable and with a good cast and solid action scenes. Definitely not boring, and not as jingoistic as I was expecting.
 
There's a subplot about a conflicted drone pilot (John Magaro) who regrets the innocent lives he's taken that you think is going to shoehorn back into the main terrorism plot somehow, but refreshingly it's just about him feeling ashamed about what he's done and wanting to make amends. I say this not to spoil anyone but so that you don't waste your time theorizing on what's going to happen to this guy, which they kind of misleadingly play up. He's basically just there to serve as a commentary on drone policy, and has a poignant moment with the surviving family (a grandfather and child) of one of his airstrike victims, though it stretches credibility somewhat that he could so easily travel into the middle of a warzone unescorted.

The sub plot with the drone pilot felt very Clancy-esque to me: a side plot with a minor character that was not directly related to the main plot. And yes, I liked the commentary on drone warfare. I also really loved the scene where he visits the grandfather and kid. Very touching. The only thing that kinda puzzled me was the man and wife in the Vegas casino scene. You know what I am talking about. Were they just weirdos? What was that about? Although, if it had been a Clancy subplot, the couple would have been spies for Suleiman. LOL. Clancy loved to write these seemingly unrelated side plots that actually end up tying into the main plot.
 
The sub plot with the drone pilot felt very Clancy-esque to me: a side plot with a minor character that was not directly related to the main plot. And yes, I liked the commentary on drone warfare. I also really loved the scene where he visits the grandfather and kid. Very touching. The only thing that kinda puzzled me was the man and wife in the Vegas casino scene. You know what I am talking about. Were they just weirdos? What was that about? Although, if it had been a Clancy subplot, the couple would have been spies for Suleiman. LOL. Clancy loved to write these seemingly unrelated side plots that actually end up tying into the main plot.
That's exactly what I was expecting to happen. I thought the drone pilot might become radicalized himself and join up with Suleiman somehow, or get held hostage and have to be rescued, and they were certainly playing it up that way with the weird tangential Indecent Proposal plotline with the Vegas couple, which might have just been an excuse to meet Amazon's quota for T&A in midseason, and with his (way too easy) trip into the warzone in Syria which I kept expecting to go wrong. So I was pleasantly surprised when it just turned out to be an earnest commentary on drone policy and one man's journey to find a slight bit of redemption for the things he had done. Perhaps a bit treacly, but unexpected in this type of shoot 'em up action thriller.
 
Thanks for the informative review, LoB! :)

One pedantic nitpick, however:
Krasinski's Ryan is essentially the same character, an ex-Marine injured in a helicopter crash
He's a Former Marine. In military terminology (or at the very least Department of the Navy, though I'm pretty sure it applies across the branches), the designation of "ex-" applies to those not honorably discharged.
 
Thank you. That was an incredibly important detail to straighten out before the good ship TrekBBS was nationalized into the Navy and set sail for the war. There could have been mass confusion about what I meant otherwise, and lives may have been lost in the fray. :p
 
I enjoyed the show, but at times Krasinsky's resemblance to Zachary Levi had me waiting for a "flash." :techman:

Hope it's not too long until season 2.
 
The whole Krasinski and Levi thing is so weird....I mean I love "Chuck" to death but I never watched the Office. So I had no idea that there was such a resemblance between them and people always talked about it. Then add to it that Chris Fedak admitted that his inspiration for Chuck was the thought of Jim getting kidnapped from The Office by a spy...dang. And Krasinski knows about it too, he's joked about it before.

I didn't think about it much during the show, really. Just once. While the attack at the base is happening and Jack is being choked by Suleiman, I thought he'd have a "flash" to get out of the chokehold and start beating them up :lol:
 
Binged the show over the past 2 days and really enjoyed it. I thought it was done very well but maybe that's because I was not expecting much, lol.
 
I am a big fan of Tom Clancy before he went completely off the rails towards the end of his career.
I like the Jack Ryan series so far, and Krasinski's portrayal is very close to how I always pictured Jack Ryan, and I like the reboot of Jim Greer, making him a convert to Islam is a nice touch.
The Hanin subplot was worthy of its own show.
 
Okay, watched all episodes, Overall it was quite good.
Previous review was quite spot on, but I have a Couple of Crits, Slightly spoilery, youve been warned.

1. Jack Ryan was never, ever a field agent, ever. An analyst sits in his cubbicale, or at most goes to areas after the action takes place to interperate the findings. Ryan was only in the field because he was in the wrong place, or things went tits up! Him going everywhere just makes this Homeland/24 rehash. He spent maybe 30 minutes in the whole 8 hours of the show in the analyst office. In the books they have people like John Clark to do all the wet work. Having a show that shows the real work of analysts and political manouvering would be different and better than what we had. Jack Ryan is a political thriller, not an action movie.
2. More minor is James Greer's non admiral, and Cathy's not being an optomologist.
But it was a good series, hope they have a more accurate second season.
 
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