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J. Michael Straczynski's "new" Babylon 5 graphic novel?

That doesn't quite track with the fact that the ISA found a billion year old city with warnings about an ancient darkness that was banished plus a huge pyramid with a doorway to "another place". Kafta may have been exaggerating their power, but clearly something was going on.

I think where some people get confused is in believing that The Hand are those robed guys in the spiky-crystal-spinny ships. They're not. Those are just servants, roughly analogous to the Drakh.
 
^^ Are you referring to Thirdspace or LOTR with the billion year old city and doorway to another place? I don't recall LOTR very well at the moment.
 
Legend of the Rangers, I would think, although the plot specifics escape me at the moment.
 
Yeah, the ancient abandoned city in LotR was found buried on Beta Durani VII as I recall. The city we saw in 'Thirdspace' was something else entierly.
 
I actually enjoyed LOTR when I saw it again, it was a fun little action piece, if one composed of recycled ideas and dialogue.
 
It has it's moments and as far as pilots go it wasn't all that bad. Certainly better than 'The Gathering', in it's original cut at least. Mind you, having said that it still felt like a step or two backwards.
 
I actually enjoyed LOTR when I saw it again, it was a fun little action piece, if one composed of recycled ideas and dialogue.

I rewatched LoTR earlier this year, and I'd forgotten there were bits that I actually liked. The relationship between Captain David Martel and Dulann reminded me of the early relationship between Kirk and Spock when the latter had more of an impish quality. In fact, I thought of all the actors these two were probably the best ones. The rest were flat and uninteresting.

Of course, G'Kar in one last adventure was well-worth the price of admission. The story, however, I still don't care for. But I gathered that the "Hand" like the "hole in your mind" or the Drakh plague was only the means of getting into the larger story. However, based on the other actors, the set design, and the overall presentation, I don't know if I'd be as willing to wait around for that story to develop.

"The Gathering", the original cut, sparked my interest from the get-go. "To Live and Die in Starlight" didn't.
 
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^^ Like you, I liked the relationship between Martel and Dulann. I'd have really liked to see more of Na'Feel, the Narn engineer, too. We saw little of Narn women in the original B5 show and I'd have liked to see more of this one.

Jan
 
I'm not sure if I ever saw 'The Gathering' the first time around, so it's probably wasn't very fair of me to draw a comparison. All I know is when I did finally see it on video, it bored the crap out of me. Plus I could have done without the bartender in the gorilla suit. Seriously, what the hell was that about?

I agree, there was some good chemistry between the two LotR male leads and it it weren't for the weapons pod silliness and a few ham-fisted lines, the female lead would have been so much better. As for the others, well they hardly had enough screen time to make much of an impression, though I agree with Jan, Na'Feel looked promising.
We saw little of Narn women in the original B5 show and I'd have liked to see more of this one.
That raises a point, how often did we ever see female aliens, no counting the likes of Delenn, Na'toth & Durenna? Off the top of my head...there was a Narn woman and girl in the message smuggled out of Narn (I forget which episode), one Brakiri woman (played by the same actress as Dureena as I recall), two or three Abbai, the Markab mother and child, the Onteen mother ('Believers') and of course there was no shortage of Minbari and Centauri women.

I wonder if the nature of the make-up had something to do with this. With races like the Centauri & Minbari where it's especially just a bald-cap/headbone we see plenty of examples but with races that require full face and/or head pieces we get a few one-offs at most (I don't think we ever saw any Drazi women - possibly for the best!) and the actresses in recurring parts (Ko'Dath/Na'Toth) never seamed to last long for one reason or another.
That may be why we rarely saw any Abbai at all, after it initially looked like they were going to be set up as one of the "major" league races.
 
To be fair, when J. Michael Straczynski saw the bartender in the gorilla suit, he had the same reaction as you. It's too bad Babylon 5 was the first show he had executive producer duties on. It took him a while to fit into that role, and although the re-edit of The Gathering goes a long way towards rectifying early mistakes, it can't change what's within the frame.
 
I've never seen the original cut of the pilot. Is there a screencap of the gorilla bartender? Sounds hilarious!
 
It's too bad Babylon 5 was the first show he had executive producer duties on.

When you go up the television ladder, there is always a show that has to be your first as executive producer. Why not the show that you absolutely want to do? A lot of the extra duties you perform as a co-producer (which jms was on Murder, She Wrote) will train you for the position.

although the re-edit of The Gathering goes a long way towards rectifying early mistakes, it can't change what's within the frame.

Well Richard Compton didn't last long with the show.
 
But Straczynski has gone on the record that he wasn't prepared for the position (thus the re-edit of The Gathering, the firing of Compton during season one). Things that wouldn't have happened if he was more experienced in the first place. But this is all in the past.
 
Exactly! Because he had never been an executive producer with those duties before. That's all I'm saying.
 
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