J/7 Shippers
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It's rude to the author too, he's using her to bait. And after she makes it clear she doesn't like it he asks if she's met the author?! What if she had, did he expect KM to come out with an opinion about a person? The guy was an ass looking to score points by asking the question.
She goes on a similar rant in this Prague appearance. She strikes me as a typical repressed Roman Catholic when she gets out of her comfort zone about sex and sexuality. It's odd for a person who seems so tactile and funny with folks, but Irish Catholic guilt about sex would not be a surprising origin for her very strong views on the subject. In this link it starts over a question around 51:30.
I.. uhh..
Thank you Catarina for your post.
And now I must find the brain narrative, I have it somewhere.. in which angry moralizing is HOT.
I'll be back as soon as I've reprogrammed myself with that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDcOOBr7G4k
That was horrifying.
And the book
Whoever left it probably had no idea the intensity of her negative reaction.
And the book
Whoever left it probably had no idea the intensity of her negative reaction.
If someone was writing such things about my character I would take it as a fan compliment.
and I dunno, where did she say she wasn't pleased? It wasn't KM fantasies
(that I would understand being icked about)
I.. uhh..
Thank you Catarina for your post.
And now I must find the brain narrative, I have it somewhere.. in which angry moralizing is HOT.
I'll be back as soon as I've reprogrammed myself with that.
That was horrifying.
And the book
Whoever left it probably had no idea the intensity of her negative reaction.
Okay guys... stop and think for just one moment.
In a world of stalkers, where deranged fans have broken into homes, have shot and killed the objects of their fascination, what must it feel like to realize that people are not only fantasizing about you but have entered your workplace and left their musings on your doorstep.
Sure, you and I think it was probably Tim Russ or Robbie McNeil who left the actual book of someone else's imaginings, but what if it wasn't?
She did joke about reading every page before turning it into security, but still the thought that someone could be obsessing about her to that extent could be unnerving and that has nothing to do about being Roman Catholic or Irish.
Also, anyone who's been to a con with her, or who has seen a con via youtube, is well aware of her anathema for her character not being taken seriously as a professional. That was the main reason she claimed she was against the idea of a catsuited Jeri Ryan joining the cast, because it played to the base instincts of the viewer and not to the higher brain functions.
Granted, those of us who (platonically) love the character of Seven can point to the fact that the only thing base about the character is the suit, but Mulgrew didn't know that going into season 4.
As for the character being a subject of erotica/smut, I think Lucy Lawless said it best in one of her con videos when someone asked her if SHE read the slash fanfics re the Xena/Gabrielle characters, "No. Why should I? 'Oooh. Ohhh. That feels so good' " didn't stimulate her as writing that would entice her to read it.
No, equating pornography and criminality the way she did in that Prague talk and the other quoted text strikes me as a bit more than over-reaction to a possible stalker or how she wanted her character to be perceived. She's saying, explicitly, that porn is bad and bad for you. That's a very repressed attitude. Very common one from Catholic upbringing where anything connected to sex outside marriage is a sin. Lucy Lawless comments are statements that strike more to the quality of slash fiction as often jejune and puerile rather than saying it is something that is bad for you as Kate Mulgrew is saying by linking enjoyment of porn to addiction and criminality.
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I was amused at her talking about how it brings down the tone, it is "base" and doesn't appeal to higher brain function. Because yeah, it doesn't claim to and it doesn't exist to appeal to higher brain function and so what?
Fans are idiots to ask them these questions. Why would they read slash about their characters or Treklit for that matter.They are the actor, not the fan.
Fans are idiots to ask them these questions. Why would they read slash about their characters or Treklit for that matter.They are the actor, not the fan.
Do you read the slash fiction about yourself Teacake?
It is all about me already. So, yeah.
Mulgrew isn't Janeway.
The writers room is Janeway.
This hatred of sex is the most blatant input the actress forced on the writers.
It's like prohibition.
Sex prohibition.
And slashfiction writers are Al Capone sex bootlegging sex for the prohibited who do not want to be prohibited.
The writers room is Janeway.
This hatred of sex is the most blatant input the actress forced on the writers.
It's like prohibition.
Sex prohibition.
And slashfiction writers are Al Capone sex bootlegging sex for the prohibited who do not want to be prohibited.
They are the TRUE heroes.
I think Kate's insistence that porn is the gateway to criminal activity is as problematic as anyone's suggestion that her opinions are a result on her "repressed Irish Catholic" upbringing.
The sense I get from reading interviews with Kate and watching her talks at various cons is that HER upbringing was anything but "usual", being raised by her artist mother and contractor father.
By 17 this Midwestern teenager went from "co-parenting" her younger 6 siblings to New York City to study with Stella Adler. By 20 she was costarring on Ryan's Hope and by 22 her character Mary Ryan was pregnant and so was the single Kate. This is expected by many of us to be a big part of her memoir as she gave up the child for adoption and didn't meet her again for well over 20 years.
As for her supposed hatred of sex, I prefer it to be her hatred of becoming a stereotype like Kirk became when even McCoy intoned at the overgrown hairy monster "You KISSED that last night!" and Kirk complained, "Don't remind me."
If the past is any warning, I wouldn't want Star Trek writers writing that story line for me since they so frequently screw it up.
The sense I get from reading interviews with Kate and watching her talks at various cons is that HER upbringing was anything but "usual", being raised by her artist mother and contractor father.
By 17 this Midwestern teenager went from "co-parenting" her younger 6 siblings to New York City to study with Stella Adler. By 20 she was costarring on Ryan's Hope and by 22 her character Mary Ryan was pregnant and so was the single Kate. This is expected by many of us to be a big part of her memoir as she gave up the child for adoption and didn't meet her again for well over 20 years.
As for her supposed hatred of sex, I prefer it to be her hatred of becoming a stereotype like Kirk became when even McCoy intoned at the overgrown hairy monster "You KISSED that last night!" and Kirk complained, "Don't remind me."
If the past is any warning, I wouldn't want Star Trek writers writing that story line for me since they so frequently screw it up.
Mulgrew is not but she was looking out for Janeway. Something happened within during Voyager that she identified and saw within herself. she mentioned that." I'm much like Janeway but I am even more so Red and I don't know how to even articulate or justify that." I look forward to reading her book. it might shed lift on the comparison. I think it's that survival she connects with. she gives (the deep part) selectively but when she does it's the soul. that's my guess.
I agree. she comfortable with sex. I mean for heaven's sake she said 'Vagina' on stage where as the other actors used sterile words to avoid offending. Porn is not everyone's taste and some believe part of the problem not the solution. she really takes reading and time seriously. Good! How do you think she speaks so eloquently? not hanging around porn sites. I don't like porn. I think sex is divine. To each their own.
She was willing to be topless Janeway (her idea) because it was symbolic. She let Picardo (her idea) but his hand on the 'Captain's seat' to coin Picardo. Because she trusts him but it was a comedy episode with an underlying message.
She saw sex with Chakotay only a temporary boost to our lust meters. how long would it take before we tire because we got what we though we wanted? Look how quickly people abandoned ship to paddle to J/7. it might be because j/C didn't happen and we are looking for that fix or we as outside observers can see possibility there's someone better suited for her emotionally. can anyone say maybe they got hasty pushing?
She's not avoiding sex. she's avoiding commitment to another which is promised already to her crew. Chakotay would be like cheating on her promise to them. Think about it. what happens when we fall hard? We're animals. we are distracted, bored of anyone else but the focused person, hearts are on the line. Pregnancy risks, life and death decisions.
Of course if you asked the crew on year seven would they want her happy they,d say yes. because what I don't think she knows yet is they forgive her and thanks to her they found each other. (except paranoid Maquis and angry deck 15 losers to suit a plot )
She was willing to be topless Janeway (her idea) because it was symbolic. She let Picardo (her idea) but his hand on the 'Captain's seat' to coin Picardo. Because she trusts him but it was a comedy episode with an underlying message.
She saw sex with Chakotay only a temporary boost to our lust meters. how long would it take before we tire because we got what we though we wanted? Look how quickly people abandoned ship to paddle to J/7. it might be because j/C didn't happen and we are looking for that fix or we as outside observers can see possibility there's someone better suited for her emotionally. can anyone say maybe they got hasty pushing?
She's not avoiding sex. she's avoiding commitment to another which is promised already to her crew. Chakotay would be like cheating on her promise to them. Think about it. what happens when we fall hard? We're animals. we are distracted, bored of anyone else but the focused person, hearts are on the line. Pregnancy risks, life and death decisions.
Of course if you asked the crew on year seven would they want her happy they,d say yes. because what I don't think she knows yet is they forgive her and thanks to her they found each other. (except paranoid Maquis and angry deck 15 losers to suit a plot )
Catholic upbringing makes her hate sex = %50 chance that that's a true statement.
Irish Catholic Upbringing makes her hate sex = %75 chance that's a true statement.
Repressed Irish Catholic upbringing makes her hate sex = %100 chance that that is a true statement.
Just to clarify, Mulgrew was only against meaningless, frivolous sexual encounters for Janeway.
If they wrote her a boyfriend on the road to marriage, like with Tom and B'Elanna, I doubt she would have vetoed it.
No.
She would.
I think I remember Kate saying that any relationship would weaken the character because then Janeway wouldn't be seen as her own person any more, just as an extension of a man.
In Muglrew's head it's 1952.
There's an early episode of Family Guy where Lois is streetfighting, and after she almost kills another woman, Lois grabs Peter by the balls (hard) and screams at the audience who had been betting on the fight "This is mine! MINE! Do you understand??! This is where my babies come from and you can't have it!"
Irish Catholic Upbringing makes her hate sex = %75 chance that's a true statement.
Repressed Irish Catholic upbringing makes her hate sex = %100 chance that that is a true statement.
Just to clarify, Mulgrew was only against meaningless, frivolous sexual encounters for Janeway.
If they wrote her a boyfriend on the road to marriage, like with Tom and B'Elanna, I doubt she would have vetoed it.
No.
She would.
I think I remember Kate saying that any relationship would weaken the character because then Janeway wouldn't be seen as her own person any more, just as an extension of a man.
In Muglrew's head it's 1952.
There's an early episode of Family Guy where Lois is streetfighting, and after she almost kills another woman, Lois grabs Peter by the balls (hard) and screams at the audience who had been betting on the fight "This is mine! MINE! Do you understand??! This is where my babies come from and you can't have it!"
Well she did have Michael Sullivan for a few episodes and she fell for Kashyk... Oh, and Jaffen so she had a few semi-relationships.
Michael Sullivan was a vibrator. She lost the remote control in the first encounter (locked his personal settings), and broke him completely in his second appearance.
She faked everything with Kayshakk. He sends children to concentration camps to be worked to death.
She was brain washed into rutting with Jaffen. Not Janeway. As soon as Janeway came back, she zipped up her trousers and directed him to easier younger game.
...
What Kate said she expected in season one, and how they wore her down over the next 6 years was a long and bloody war.
She faked everything with Kayshakk. He sends children to concentration camps to be worked to death.
She was brain washed into rutting with Jaffen. Not Janeway. As soon as Janeway came back, she zipped up her trousers and directed him to easier younger game.
...
What Kate said she expected in season one, and how they wore her down over the next 6 years was a long and bloody war.
I think from what she's said and what we've seen of her life she likes sex and men just fine. She is just repulsed by porn and has no reason to change her view of that. When someone pornifies what she sees as her work (a character) it pisses her off and she finds reasons for being pissed off ("baser instincts"). She finds an explanation and she sticks to it.
Now me, I've watched all this Star Trek stuff so many times that I want to pornify the whole damn thing. Out of frustration with Trek writers being fail at relationships. Frustration with NO GAY characters in their supposed boldly going 28 seasons in 5 different series. Frustration with the sterilized feel to lots of it, something that gets more ludicrous when held up next to other tv which manages to be sexy even when never showing sex.
K/S popped into my head pre-internet when I was 13 years old. I thought it was an original idea!! I mean, it seemed obvious on the screen. They had chemistry, they loved each other, they were willing to die for each other. It was a greater romance than all of Kirk's girls and he didn't have Spock on a pedestal like Edith Keeler.
Meanwhile she ADORED 7 and 7 was unfolding slowly like the beautiful damaged human she was under the warmth of Janeway's adoration. There was a whole lot between them, whatever you want to call it the emotions were powerful. It becomes an integral part of both their stories even as Chak is just sitting there, being friendly and dutiful and not changing in any real way.
Now me, I've watched all this Star Trek stuff so many times that I want to pornify the whole damn thing. Out of frustration with Trek writers being fail at relationships. Frustration with NO GAY characters in their supposed boldly going 28 seasons in 5 different series. Frustration with the sterilized feel to lots of it, something that gets more ludicrous when held up next to other tv which manages to be sexy even when never showing sex.
K/S popped into my head pre-internet when I was 13 years old. I thought it was an original idea!! I mean, it seemed obvious on the screen. They had chemistry, they loved each other, they were willing to die for each other. It was a greater romance than all of Kirk's girls and he didn't have Spock on a pedestal like Edith Keeler.
Hasty pushing? I was never on the C ship, it never felt like a great romance full of underlying desire and tension. She got on with him, she fancied him a bit, in another life she might have given it a go and that was something she was very aware of. But this wasn't another life. She wasn't going to do any dating (!!!). Which is what the gentlemanly Chak was angling at.
Meanwhile she ADORED 7 and 7 was unfolding slowly like the beautiful damaged human she was under the warmth of Janeway's adoration. There was a whole lot between them, whatever you want to call it the emotions were powerful. It becomes an integral part of both their stories even as Chak is just sitting there, being friendly and dutiful and not changing in any real way.
